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Oyster at Finsbury Park
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
... With a validator equipped station Travelcard holders who are "in zone" don't have to swipe their Oyster card but if you are out of zone you do for the purposes of calculation of auto ticket extensions. I see no way that LU can prevent fraud. You can travel anywhere you like on the system with a one-zone travelcard, and then when you get to your destination, if the gates are active, you swipe and have your extension deducted... if the gates are inactive, you just walk out and you have no way of getting caught. If any RCI stops you en route out of your travelcard zone, you just say you are going to swipe for the extension at your journey's end. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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Oyster at Finsbury Park
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 11:45:19 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote: I see no way that LU can prevent fraud. You can travel anywhere you like on the system with a one-zone travelcard, and then when you get to your destination, if the gates are active, you swipe and have your extension deducted... if the gates are inactive, you just walk out and you have no way of getting caught. If any RCI stops you en route out of your travelcard zone, you just say you are going to swipe for the extension at your journey's end. Is it possible for an inspector to check tickets further from the platform than the validator? For example, you have a zone 3 Travelcard, go to Finsbury Park, pass the validator, then inspector gets you for not validating? |
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In message , Richard Adamfi
writes On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 11:45:19 -0000, "John Rowland" wrote: I see no way that LU can prevent fraud. You can travel anywhere you like on the system with a one-zone travelcard, and then when you get to your destination, if the gates are active, you swipe and have your extension deducted... if the gates are inactive, you just walk out and you have no way of getting caught. If any RCI stops you en route out of your travelcard zone, you just say you are going to swipe for the extension at your journey's end. Is it possible for an inspector to check tickets further from the platform than the validator? For example, you have a zone 3 Travelcard, go to Finsbury Park, pass the validator, then inspector gets you for not validating? If you mean, do RCIs only operate on the paid-side, then the answer is no. -- Kat "bears, said the taxi driver, is sixpence extra, sticky bears is ninepence" |
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Oyster at Finsbury Park
In article , John Rowland
writes "Paul Corfield" wrote in message .. . With a validator equipped station Travelcard holders who are "in zone" don't have to swipe their Oyster card but if you are out of zone you do for the purposes of calculation of auto ticket extensions. I see no way that LU can prevent fraud. You can travel anywhere you like on the system with a one-zone travelcard, and then when you get to your destination, if the gates are active, you swipe and have your extension deducted... if the gates are inactive, you just walk out and you have no way of getting caught. If any RCI stops you en route out of your travelcard zone, you just say you are going to swipe for the extension at your journey's end. Presumably, TfL are working on the principle that once people find out they have inadvertently used up all the value on the Oyster by not validating it on entry, they will get used to the idea - and cynic TfL will have received extra revenue /cynic. Not being able to get out through the gates because you haven't remember to swipe on the way in should focus peoples minds. Mind you, that all requires the gates to be manned by people who will explain the system and not just swipe people though, or ignore jumpers and tailgaters... -- Steve -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCM/B$ d++(-) s+:+ a+ C++ UL++ L+ P+ W++ N+++ K w--- O V PS+++ PE- t+ 5++ X- R* tv+ b+++ DI++ G e h---- r+++ z++++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ |
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In message , John Rowland
writes "Paul Corfield" wrote in message .. . With a validator equipped station Travelcard holders who are "in zone" don't have to swipe their Oyster card but if you are out of zone you do for the purposes of calculation of auto ticket extensions. I see no way that LU can prevent fraud. You can travel anywhere you like on the system with a one-zone travelcard, and then when you get to your destination, if the gates are active, you swipe and have your extension deducted... if the gates are inactive, you just walk out and you have no way of getting caught. If any RCI stops you en route out of your travelcard zone, you just say you are going to swipe for the extension at your journey's end. But this is no different from the magnetic ticket system. CofC state that you must have a ticket to cover the whole of the journey you are making. A RCI finding no Pre Pay balance on an Oyster could either issue a paper extension ticket or a £10.00 Penalty Fare. -- Kat "bears, said the taxi driver, is sixpence extra, sticky bears is ninepence" |
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Oyster at Finsbury Park
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:47:28 +0000, Kat
wrote: But this is no different from the magnetic ticket system. CofC state that you must have a ticket to cover the whole of the journey you are making. A RCI finding no Pre Pay balance on an Oyster could either issue a paper extension ticket or a £10.00 Penalty Fare. I think the argument here is that you would always keep a Pre Pay balance, just in case you had to validate. |
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In message , Richard Adamfi
writes On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:47:28 +0000, Kat wrote: But this is no different from the magnetic ticket system. CofC state that you must have a ticket to cover the whole of the journey you are making. A RCI finding no Pre Pay balance on an Oyster could either issue a paper extension ticket or a £10.00 Penalty Fare. I think the argument here is that you would always keep a Pre Pay balance, just in case you had to validate. And if you never intend to add Pre Pay to your Oyster, always make sure you buy an extension. From what I've gathered, the £10.00 Penalty Fare is going to be very strictly enforced now. -- Kat Reality is the leading cause of stress among those in touch with it. |
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Oyster at Finsbury Park
"Kat" wrote in message
... In message , Richard Adamfi writes On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:47:28 +0000, Kat wrote: But this is no different from the magnetic ticket system. CofC state that you must have a ticket to cover the whole of the journey you are making. A RCI finding no Pre Pay balance on an Oyster could either issue a paper extension ticket or a £10.00 Penalty Fare. I think the argument here is that you would always keep a Pre Pay balance, just in case you had to validate. And if you never intend to add Pre Pay to your Oyster, always make sure you buy an extension. From what I've gathered, the £10.00 Penalty Fare is going to be very strictly enforced now. So as long as I have pre-pay on my Oystercard (zones 2 & 3 only), I don't need to buy an extension ticket when I travel into Zone 1 - it should take it £1.60 extra off my pre-pay? Adrian |
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In message , Adrian
writes So as long as I have pre-pay on my Oystercard (zones 2 & 3 only), I don't need to buy an extension ticket when I travel into Zone 1 - it should take it £1.60 extra off my pre-pay? That's correct. But if you go out of zone 2 - 3 and have no Pre Pay, you won't be able to use your Oyster in your valid zones until the debit has been repaid. BTW, people who are still buying magnetic extension tickets (which of course don't register on the Oyster) need to take ticket and Oyster to the ticket window to have it sorted out on the TOM (Ticket Office Machine) I advise people to keep some Pre Pay on their period ticket Oysters. The number of times people have told me that they haven't travelled out of zone until I read them their travel history is surprising. I don't believe they're trying to pull a fast one; most genuinely don't realise it. -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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Oyster at Finsbury Park
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:25:49 +0000, Kat
wrote: BTW, people who are still buying magnetic extension tickets (which of course don't register on the Oyster) need to take ticket and Oyster to the ticket window to have it sorted out on the TOM (Ticket Office Machine) I advise people to keep some Pre Pay on their period ticket Oysters. The number of times people have told me that they haven't travelled out of zone until I read them their travel history is surprising. I don't believe they're trying to pull a fast one; most genuinely don't realise it. That's interesting. At present I go out of zone around once a week: so far I've just bought paper extension tickets and used them exactly as I would have done with a magnetic season ticket: I touch the Oyster at the in-zone station, and put the extension in the gate at the out-of-zone station. I had in mind to use pre-pay for this eventually, but wasn't planning to change over yet. The really nice thing would be if Oyster could calculate, when the season expires, whether it would have been cheaper simply to buy an extra zone for the season, and charge me the cost of that extra zone... If I *do* have both a season and pre-pay on my card, will I then need to touch my Oyster to one of the readers when I go through Finsbury Park, which *is* covered by my season Martin |
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