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Whither Thameslink to Cambridge?
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Whither Thameslink to Cambridge?
On Jul 16, 6:30*pm, 1506 wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:59*am, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Tom Anderson" wrote in message rth.li... Which should finish in 2018. Would we expect service patterns to change immediately? The most up to date info is in the draft London and South East RUS - which amongst other info about the ECML and Kings Cross services gives the Thameslink GN side as 8 tph, of which: 2 tph 12 car Peterborough 2 tph 12 car Cambridge 4 tph 8 car Welwyn GC all from 2018 To where will the Northern City trains run, post Thameslink.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If it the case that all (or most) Moorgate trains will be Hertford Loop ones, (with WGC services going to Thameslink), I guess it could be because they would conveniently use the up 'goods' line from Alexandra P to F Pk which is planned to be converted for passenger trains use to provide extra capacity. With the upgraded track being on W side of current USL, presumably Hertford Loop trains would be able run from Alexandra P to N City branch without any conflict with ECML/WGC trains. |
Whither Thameslink to Cambridge?
On Jul 17, 11:25*pm, Philip wrote:
On Jul 16, 6:30*pm, 1506 wrote: On Jul 16, 9:59*am, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Tom Anderson" wrote in message rth.li... Which should finish in 2018. Would we expect service patterns to change immediately? The most up to date info is in the draft London and South East RUS - which amongst other info about the ECML and Kings Cross services gives the Thameslink GN side as 8 tph, of which: 2 tph 12 car Peterborough 2 tph 12 car Cambridge 4 tph 8 car Welwyn GC all from 2018 To where will the Northern City trains run, post Thameslink.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If it the case that all (or most) Moorgate trains will be Hertford Loop ones, (with WGC services going to Thameslink), I guess it could be because they would conveniently use the up 'goods' line from Alexandra P to F Pk which is planned to be converted for passenger trains use to provide extra capacity. *With the upgraded track being on W side of current USL, presumably Hertford Loop trains would be able run from Alexandra P to N City branch without any conflict with ECML/WGC trains. I was under the impression that both the up and down goods were being upgraded, these being on the "outside" of the existing lines...? (all still happily in the right places for conflict-free operation between the flyover at Ally Pally and the pair of diveunders at Finsbury Park, I might add). |
Whither Thameslink to Cambridge?
"Jamie Thompson" wrote in message
... I was under the impression that both the up and down goods were being upgraded, these being on the "outside" of the existing lines...? (all still happily in the right places for conflict-free operation between the flyover at Ally Pally and the pair of diveunders at Finsbury Park, I might add). That's correct, however they are treated as two separate (but related) projects by NR, and each direction can stand alone - and I think one direction may have had a higher priority initially. However according to the most up to date enhancements plan they both now have the same start and completion dates, ie Jan 2012 - Dec 2013... Paul S |
Whither Thameslink to Cambridge?
On Jul 18, 10:51*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote: "Jamie *Thompson" wrote in ... I was under the impression that both the up and down goods were being upgraded, these being on the "outside" of the existing lines...? (all still happily in the right places for conflict-free operation between the flyover at Ally Pally and the pair of diveunders at Finsbury Park, I might add). That's correct, however they are treated as two separate (but related) projects by NR, and each direction can stand alone - and I think one direction may have had a higher priority initially. However according to the most up to date enhancements plan they both now have the same start and *completion dates, ie Jan 2012 - Dec 2013... Will this allow the Moorgate to WGC service to operate completely independently from the KX/Thameslink trains. That is to say no shared track? If so, it would eliminate service polution issues. |
Whither Thameslink to Cambridge?
On Jul 18, 10:51*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote: "Jamie *Thompson" wrote in ... I was under the impression that both the up and down goods were being upgraded, these being on the "outside" of the existing lines...? (all still happily in the right places for conflict-free operation between the flyover at Ally Pally and the pair of diveunders at Finsbury Park, I might add). That's correct, however they are treated as two separate (but related) projects by NR, and each direction can stand alone - and I think one direction may have had a higher priority initially. However according to the most up to date enhancements plan they both now have the same start and *completion dates, ie Jan 2012 - Dec 2013... Will this allow the Moorgate to Hertford North service to operate completely independently from the WGC to KX/Thameslink trains. That is to say no shared track? If so, it would eliminate service polution issues. |
Whither Thameslink to Cambridge?
"1506" wrote in message ... On Jul 18, 10:51 am, "Paul Scott" wrote: That's correct, however they are treated as two separate (but related) projects by NR, and each direction can stand alone - and I think one direction may have had a higher priority initially. However according to the most up to date enhancements plan they both now have the same start and completion dates, ie Jan 2012 - Dec 2013... Will this allow the Moorgate to Hertford North service to operate completely independently from the WGC to KX/Thameslink trains. That is to say no shared track? If so, it would eliminate service polution issues. That's the published main purpose of the project, yes. The only downside is that they aren't initially intending to build additional platforms at the intermediate stations on the improved lines, at Harringay and Hornsey. That is a proposal for CP5. Paul S |
Whither Thameslink to Cambridge?
Does it also mean that the big tube down to Moorgate would also have to be used at weekends? With a handy interchange at Highbury and Islington to the Overground lines I would have thought it might have been quite useful. |
Whither Thameslink to Cambridge?
On Jul 18, 10:51*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote: "Jamie *Thompson" wrote in ... I was under the impression that both the up and down goods were being upgraded, these being on the "outside" of the existing lines...? (all still happily in the right places for conflict-free operation between the flyover at Ally Pally and the pair of diveunders at Finsbury Park, I might add). That's correct, however they are treated as two separate (but related) projects by NR, and each direction can stand alone - and I think one direction may have had a higher priority initially. However according to the most up to date enhancements plan they both now have the same start and *completion dates, ie Jan 2012 - Dec 2013... Paul S I actually meant the up upgraded line is on the east side not west side, but forgot that the down goods (on west side) was being upgraded too. So that would mean Moorgate/Hertford Loop services would be conflict-free of ECML USL and DSL and WGC services on both up & down between F Pk and Alexandra P. However I think there would likely to be movements from UFL at P Pk for FCC outers to stop USL rather than UFL platform thus providing more UFL capacity, then some ex-WGC trains may use the ex-goods new Hertford platform. Philip |
Whither Thameslink to Cambridge?
"Paul Scott" wrote in message
... "Jamie Thompson" wrote in message ... I was under the impression that both the up and down goods were being upgraded, these being on the "outside" of the existing lines...? (all still happily in the right places for conflict-free operation between the flyover at Ally Pally and the pair of diveunders at Finsbury Park, I might add). That's correct, however they are treated as two separate (but related) projects by NR, and each direction can stand alone - and I think one direction may have had a higher priority initially. However according to the most up to date enhancements plan they both now have the same start and completion dates, ie Jan 2012 - Dec 2013... The down line is actually called the Down Slow 2 rather than the Down Goods and is already used by evening peak Hertford trains that do not stop at Harringay or Hornsey. Peter Smyth |
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