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'Tis a pit some of the Horsham terminators are not continuing to
Bognor Regis and/or Littlehampton.


Makes sense, though. They've avoided having to either lengthen platforms
or have SDO on the trains.


...and to be fair passengers are probably quite used to the useful service
pattern south of Horsham nowadays, with the alternate fast portions
to/from Portsmouth and Southampton, and the two Bognor portions forming
the stopping services.

Paul S


I'm assuming that the Thameslink trains will take over the London Bridge to
Horsham
stoppers. What about the other end? If they form what is now the King's
Cross to Cambridge
stopper then Meldreth, Shepreth and Foxton platforms will need to be
extended to eight car
length.

John

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In message , at 09:40:13 on
Sun, 31 Jul 2011, John C remarked:

I'm assuming that the Thameslink trains will take over the London
Bridge to Horsham stoppers.


2tph replacing 2tph, sounds very plausible.

What about the other end? If they form what is now the King's Cross to
Cambridge stopper then Meldreth, Shepreth and Foxton platforms will
need to be extended to eight car length.


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...chedule/2/made

Although with 12-car trains they'll still need some SDO.

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"Paul Scott" wrote in message
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'Tis a pit some of the Horsham terminators are not continuing to
Bognor Regis and/or Littlehampton.


Makes sense, though. They've avoided having to either lengthen
platforms or have SDO on the trains.


...and to be fair passengers are probably quite used to the useful
service pattern south of Horsham nowadays, with the alternate fast
portions to/from Portsmouth and Southampton, and the two Bognor
portions forming the stopping services.


I'm assuming that the Thameslink trains will take over the London Bridge
to Horsham stoppers. What about the other end? If they form what is now
the King's Cross to Cambridge stopper then Meldreth, Shepreth and Foxton
platforms will need to be extended to eight car length.


The Horsham Cambridge trains are to be 12-car. Only for half the semi-fast
off-peak service calls at stations between Cambridge and Royston. I expect
the hourly Horsham-Cambridge service will take over the semi-fast services
that currently depart KGX at xx.53 (was xx.52 until May) and CBG at xx.26. I
presume the xx.06 ex KGX and xx.55 ex CBG will remain 4 cars and continue to
call at all stations to Hatfield.

What they will do in the peaks and evenings when all trains call between
Cambridge and Royston I don't know.

Would extending the platforms at Shepreth be allowed these days on the curve?

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"John C" wrote in message
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I'm assuming that the Thameslink trains will take over the London Bridge
to Horsham
stoppers. What about the other end? If they form what is now the King's
Cross to Cambridge
stopper then Meldreth, Shepreth and Foxton platforms will need to be
extended to eight car
length.


The relevant section of the table explains the Cambridge and Peterborough
services will run 'semi-fast' on the northern part of the route.

As I said in the first post there is more info in the original, but a number
of routes are stopping one side of the Thames and semi fast the other, and
vice versa...

Paul S

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07:23:43 on Fri, 29 Jul 2011, 1506 remarked:
18 tph through London Bridge

Brighton - Bedford 12-car (4 tph)
Three Bridges - Peterborough 12-car
Horsham - Cambridge 12-car
East Grinstead - Bedford 12-car Peak only
Caterham - St Albans 8-car
Tattenham Corner - Welwyn Garden City 8-car
Tunbridge Wells - Bedford 12-car Peak only
Ashford International -Luton 12-car Peak only

6tph via Elephant and Castle

Maidstone East via Catford - Welwyn Garden City 8-car
Sevenoaks via Catford - Luton *8-car
Bellingham via Catford - St Albans 8-car

Hope this of some interest

Paul S


'Tis a pit some of the Horsham terminators are not continuing to
Bognor Regis and/or Littlehampton.


The original plan included Littlehampton via Brighton, and Eastbourne.
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Tattenham Corner - Welwyn Garden City


That must be one of the more obscure pairings. I wonder how many end-to-
end tickets they will sell?

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On 2011\07\29 17:41, Peter Campbell Smith wrote:
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Tattenham Corner - Welwyn Garden City


That must be one of the more obscure pairings. I wonder how many end-to-
end tickets they will sell?



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"Peter Campbell Smith" wrote in message
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"Paul Scott" wrote in
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Tattenham Corner - Welwyn Garden City


That must be one of the more obscure pairings. I wonder how many end-to-
end tickets they will sell?


Does it really matter? I think it isn't too relevant - they've always said
(in various consultation documents at least) that the linked pairs are not
that significant, the assumption is that most pax are only going to London,
and will change en route. The trick will be getting them to do so at the
best choice of station I expect, ie probably not Farringdon, best to leave
that for Crossrail interchange...

Should we assume new signs will be put up such as "Welcome to Cambridge,
twinned with Horsham", with civic leaders going on factfinding tours?

Paul

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In article ,
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Should we assume new signs will be put up such as "Welcome to
Cambridge, twinned with Horsham", with civic leaders going on
factfinding tours?


I don't think so somehow.

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In message , at 17:58:53 on
Fri, 29 Jul 2011, Paul Scott remarked:
Tattenham Corner - Welwyn Garden City


That must be one of the more obscure pairings. I wonder how many end-to-
end tickets they will sell?


Does it really matter? I think it isn't too relevant - they've always
said (in various consultation documents at least) that the linked pairs
are not that significant, the assumption is that most pax are only
going to London, and will change en route. The trick will be getting
them to do so at the best choice of station I expect, ie probably not
Farringdon, best to leave that for Crossrail interchange...


The best strategy for passengers is to change as soon as possible. That
means any passengers getting off at the following few stations will
release seats which they can grab before the boarding hordes can. So
SPILL southbound and perhaps Blackfriars northbound.
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