On 04/11/2011 11:52, d wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:56:45 +0000
Graeme wrote:
Have fly tippers been busy or something? What do you mean a hill?


The runway is definitely not level.

Clearly wasn't a problem for the RAF or the current flights that use it, why
would be a problem for commercial jets?


It's usable but not ideal for a airport that you want to use at LHR
intensities.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

On 04/11/2011 15:26, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:22:08 on Fri, 4
Nov 2011, Graeme Wall remarked:
What's important here is how far west of Heathrow they get, so we can
compare how far west of the estuary airport the planes might turn.

It's not strictly comparable, you just don't turn onto a parallel
track 55kms east of the LHR track.

Five out of seven of the Heathrow flightpaths that were posted here (as
pdfs) earlier today make quite tight turns to head north and south. Two
of them head for Woodley (aka Reading suburb).

There's no reason to suppose that flightpaths from an estuary airport
would be routed over central London at all.

There's also no reason to suppose they won't be.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

If you're going to be spending billions on interconnecting main line
railways in London it might be better spent on tunnels between the
existing terminii, a bit like the Germans have done in Berlin.
(admitedly Berlin does have an orbital railway, but it is used for the
S-Bahn and only individual sections of it for long distance trains).

Actually Berlin has 2 orbital railways- the inner which was is used by the S
Bahn and the outer one which was built by the DDR so that their trains from
the Wester part of the DDR could go round to Lichtenberg, Karlhorst etc and
avoid West Berlin.

What's not to like? :-)


Actually what's not to like is that after Cross Rail, Overground extensions,
The Olympics, Thameslink 2000 (!) HS1 HS2 etc. etc. it will be yet another
excuse to concentrate expenditure on the South East to the exclusion of
everywhere else.


And while we are travelling round up here on 2 car class 142s etc. the money
would be better spent elsewhere.

In message , at 16:59:33 on Fri, 4
Nov 2011, Graeme Wall remarked:
There's no reason to suppose that flightpaths from an estuary airport
would be routed over central London at all.

There's also no reason to suppose they won't be.

To reduce the noise.
--
Roland Perry

"Paul Rigg" wrote:

What's not to like? :-)


Actually what's not to like is that after Cross Rail, Overground extensions,
The Olympics,


Are people from the North excluded from competing in the Olympics?

I'm not happy with the Olympics either, but it wouldn't matter to me
whether they were in London, Manchester or Middlesbrough. We should
never have bid for them.

Original cost estimate: £2.7 billion. Latest estimate: £28 billion.


Thameslink 2000 (!) HS1 HS2 etc. etc. it will be yet another
excuse to concentrate expenditure on the South East to the exclusion of
everywhere else.


But HS2 is supposed to benefit the North, not the South. Its
proponents claim that it will bridge the north-south divide, and bring
untold wealth to the depressed Midlands and North. There's virtually
no support for it in the South East, and an awful lot of opposition.


And while we are travelling round up here on 2 car class 142s etc. the money
would be better spent elsewhere.


Northern Rail gets the highest subsidy per passenger journey of any
TOC operating on National Rail. Perhaps we should look for some
savings there.

On 04/11/2011 17:12, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:59:33 on Fri, 4
Nov 2011, Graeme Wall remarked:
There's no reason to suppose that flightpaths from an estuary airport
would be routed over central London at all.

There's also no reason to suppose they won't be.

To reduce the noise.

Which is why, currently there is a curfew at LHR. The claim for
Borisport is that it will operate 24/7.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:45:33 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:
Which is why, currently there is a curfew at LHR. The claim for
Borisport is that it will operate 24/7.

That sort of depends on destination - I can't see a lot of demand for
0300 departures to many places, nor really arrivals at that sort of
time.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

On 04/11/2011 17:11, Paul Rigg wrote:


What's not to like? :-)


Actually what's not to like is that after Cross Rail, Overground
extensions, The Olympics, Thameslink 2000 (!) HS1 HS2 etc. etc. it will
be yet another excuse to concentrate expenditure on the South East to
the exclusion of everywhere else.


And while we are travelling round up here on 2 car class 142s etc. the
money would be better spent elsewhere.

I think many people would have been extremely happy had somewhere else
got the Olympics.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In article ,
Neil Williams wrote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:45:33 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:
Which is why, currently there is a curfew at LHR. The claim for
Borisport is that it will operate 24/7.

That sort of depends on destination - I can't see a lot of demand for
0300 departures to many places, nor really arrivals at that sort of
time.

Have you flown on Emirates? Lots of their flights transit Dubai in the
wee smalls, allegedly because the weather conditions during the day can
be fierce.

Sam