Saw a double-decker on the 222 route the other night. I don't
recall seeing one before, is this a new development?

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Saw a double-decker on the 222 route the other night. I don't
recall seeing one before, is this a new development?

Happens occasionally, presumably when they are short of the usual single
deckers.

There is at least one DD working regularly on the A10. The special liveried
Darts for the A10 are now used randomly on any Uxbridge-based routes.

Orienteer wrote:
"Dr Ivan D. Reid" wrote in message
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Saw a double-decker on the 222 route the other night. I don't
recall seeing one before, is this a new development?


Happens occasionally, presumably when they are short of the usual single
deckers.

There is at least one DD working regularly on the A10. The special liveried
Darts for the A10 are now used randomly on any Uxbridge-based routes.

The 49 and 328 are both single decker routes desperately in need of
double deckers. Is there a process or trigger level that causes TfL to
ask the operator to provide DDs?

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Orienteer wrote:
"Dr Ivan D. Reid" wrote in message
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Saw a double-decker on the 222 route the other night. I don't
recall seeing one before, is this a new development?


Happens occasionally, presumably when they are short of the usual single
deckers.

There is at least one DD working regularly on the A10. The special
liveried
Darts for the A10 are now used randomly on any Uxbridge-based routes.

The 49 and 328 are both single decker routes desperately in need of
double deckers. Is there a process or trigger level that causes TfL to
ask the operator to provide DDs?

I'm not sure how it works, but the 183 was a single deck for a short
while, after which Sovereign saw the error of its ways and replaced the
double deckers. I presume the ticketing software must be able to tell
the loading levels.

I remember when the old No 28 buses (328 predecessor) were Routemasters...

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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:00:59 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

The 49 and 328 are both single decker routes desperately in need of
double deckers. Is there a process or trigger level that causes TfL to
ask the operator to provide DDs?

well the 28/31/328 group of routes have been retendered recently and the
choice of vehicle is still being debated. However the TfL Business Plan
says the intent - subject to funding - is to restore double deckers.
About time too.

Can't comment on the 49 but your comment is not the only one I've heard
on that subject.
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:00:59 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

The 49 and 328 are both single decker routes desperately in need of
double deckers. Is there a process or trigger level that causes TfL to
ask the operator to provide DDs?

well the 28/31/328 group of routes have been retendered recently and the
choice of vehicle is still being debated. However the TfL Business Plan
says the intent - subject to funding - is to restore double deckers.
About time too.


About time too.

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Can't comment on the 49 but your comment is not the only one I've heard
on that subject.
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:00:59 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:


The 49 and 328 are both single decker routes desperately in need of
double deckers. Is there a process or trigger level that causes TfL to
ask the operator to provide DDs?


well the 28/31/328 group of routes have been retendered recently and the
choice of vehicle is still being debated. However the TfL Business Plan
says the intent - subject to funding - is to restore double deckers.
About time too.

Can't comment on the 49 but your comment is not the only one I've heard
on that subject.

The other people who've commented are probably the others jammed onto
the 49. :-) I only use it occasionally; I feel sorry for those who use
it every day. It seems to suffer from permanent running in pairs at an
unacceptable frequency for an obviously busy service...

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Bear in mind the 155 went through this when they downgraded this from M's to
LDP's. Though this was due to the 355 being created. Recent tender gained
and new PVL's operate. I am sure London United want to move the DP/DPS off
to other more useful routes and bring TA's.


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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:00:59 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

The 49 and 328 are both single decker routes desperately in need of
double deckers. Is there a process or trigger level that causes TfL to
ask the operator to provide DDs?

well the 28/31/328 group of routes have been retendered recently and the
choice of vehicle is still being debated. However the TfL Business Plan
says the intent - subject to funding - is to restore double deckers.
About time too.

Can't comment on the 49 but your comment is not the only one I've heard
on that subject.
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:59:48 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote:

I'm not sure how it works, but the 183 was a single deck for a short
while, after which Sovereign saw the error of its ways and replaced the
double deckers. I presume the ticketing software must be able to tell
the loading levels.


If the situation with 183 was anything like that we had in East London
with the 257, it was *London* *Buses* who eventually saw the error of
their ways. Sovereign, as the lucky operator, just had to take the
flak for London Buses decision to convert 183 to single deck, just as
First Capital did with the 257.
(And I'm told Capitals' management did ask "Are you *?!@%* sure?" when
they were told they had retained the 257 with single deckers).

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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:00:59 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

The 49 and 328 are both single decker routes desperately in need of
double deckers. Is there a process or trigger level that causes TfL to
ask the operator to provide DDs?

well the 28/31/328 group of routes have been retendered recently and the
choice of vehicle is still being debated. However the TfL Business Plan
says the intent - subject to funding - is to restore double deckers.
About time too.

Can't comment on the 49 but your comment is not the only one I've heard
on that subject.

Just as well. 31 is a sardine can on wheels...

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