On Dec 13, 9:26*pm, wrote:
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On Dec 13, 8:37*pm, The Gardener wrote:
On the subject of Watford, I can only agree with those who say "and
not before time". This is the sort of project that should be
championed: relatively low-cost and largely using disused or under-
used heavy rail lines, to optimise their utility.

1948 would have been a good time to start this project, :-), if not
sooner.

1925, surely, when the Met branch was built?

IIRC the LNWR/LMS DC line was their answer to the Met. and Metroland.

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77002 wrote:
1948 would have been a good time to start this project, :-), if not
sooner.
1925, surely, when the Met branch was built?
IIRC the LNWR/LMS DC line was their answer to the Met. and Metroland.

Given that it opened in 1912 (being a branch off the 1862 branch to
Rickmansworth), I think not.

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On Dec 14, 7:49*am, "Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
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77002 wrote:
1948 would have been a good time to start this project, :-), if not
sooner.
1925, surely, when the Met branch was built?
IIRC the LNWR/LMS DC line was their answer to the Met. and Metroland.

Given that it opened in 1912 (being a branch off the 1862 branch to
Rickmansworth), I think not.

However, I suspect that electrification of said lines was.

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77002 wrote:
1948 would have been a good time to start this project, :-), if not
sooner.
1925, surely, when the Met branch was built?
IIRC the LNWR/LMS DC line was their answer to the Met. and Metroland.
Given that it opened in 1912 (being a branch off the 1862 branch to
Rickmansworth), I think not.
However, I suspect that electrification of said lines was.

The New Lines to Watford Junction, and the Bushey Triangle (to give
access to Croxley depot) were electrified in 1917, basically as soon as
the Bakerloo Line was ready to use it.

The Croxley Green branch was electrified in 1922 and the Rickmansworth
branch in 1927. This is just as likely to be post-war austerity and
dealing with Grouping as any other reason.

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"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote

The New Lines to Watford Junction, and the Bushey Triangle (to give access
to Croxley depot) were electrified in 1917, basically as soon as the
Bakerloo Line was ready to use it.

The Croxley Green branch was electrified in 1922 and the Rickmansworth
branch in 1927. This is just as likely to be post-war austerity and
dealing with Grouping as any other reason.

The Met Watford branch was opened in 1925, and electrified from the start,
though for the first few months half the service was provided by steam GC
trains from Marylebone. There was also, until 1934, a shuttle service
between Rickmansworth and Watford. When the Croxley link is opened is there
a case for an Amersham to Watford Junction service, as well as Met trains
from Aldgate/Baker Street?

Peter

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
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"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote

The New Lines to Watford Junction, and the Bushey Triangle (to give
access to Croxley depot) were electrified in 1917, basically as soon as
the Bakerloo Line was ready to use it.

The Croxley Green branch was electrified in 1922 and the Rickmansworth
branch in 1927. This is just as likely to be post-war austerity and
dealing with Grouping as any other reason.

The Met Watford branch was opened in 1925, and electrified from the start,
though for the first few months half the service was provided by steam GC
trains from Marylebone. There was also, until 1934, a shuttle service
between Rickmansworth and Watford. When the Croxley link is opened is
there a case for an Amersham to Watford Junction service, as well as Met
trains from Aldgate/Baker Street?

There is a capability to do that, but it does not form part of the current
business case:

""Whilst Croxley Rail Link does not prevent a service between Amersham
and Watford in the future, the project's objectives will not be changed to
include it at this stage. The project is focusing its resources in achieving
the current preferred scheme. A separate business case and funding bid
would need to be completed to obtain the funding to offer an extended
service to Amersham."

From this recent FAQ:

http://www.croxleyraillink.com/media...y%20issues.pdf

Paul S

On Dec 15, 8:38*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote

The New Lines to Watford Junction, and the Bushey Triangle (to give access
to Croxley depot) were electrified in 1917, basically as soon as the
Bakerloo Line was ready to use it.

The Croxley Green branch was electrified in 1922 and the Rickmansworth
branch in 1927. This is just as likely to be post-war austerity and
dealing with Grouping as any other reason.

The Met Watford branch was opened in 1925, and electrified from the start,
though for the first few months half the service was provided by steam GC
trains from Marylebone. There was also, until 1934, a shuttle service
between Rickmansworth and Watford. When the Croxley link is opened is there
a case for an Amersham to Watford Junction service, as well as Met trains
from Aldgate/Baker Street?

Peter

A discussion on another forum has turned up this:
http://www.croxleyraillink.com/media...20re port.pdf
....which I asked for repeatedly during the consultation but never
got Fairly interesting, largely as expected, but it's the omissions
that are of more interest.

First up, the notion of a shuttle from the existing Watford Met is
given, but only to Croxley! Thus incurring all the engineering
headaches of a new bay platform and track work and staff...when a
perfectly good bay already exists at Rickmansworth....or heaven
forbid, Chesham.

Next up, no consideration is given whatsoever to reinstating the curve
between Bushey and the Croxley branch. Here's where it gets (more)
interesting. One option considered was reinstating the disused NR line
to Rickmansworth and making a junction to the Met main line. However,
they then propose closing the existing Met branch completely,
destroying the case as the Met route has great coverage. However, if
you reinstated the curve as discussed above, you could operate 2tph LO
to Watford Junction from Bushey, 2tph to Rickmansworth from Bushey,
and up to the full Met service via the NR route with new stations
serving the industrial estates, and having a grade-separated
interchange between the two at Cardiff Road, (with total segregation
if you gave up the Bushey to Watford High Street services).

Finally, the West Herts metro is given, but only considered as a light
rail tram or tram-train. The massive amounts of on-street running
required destroying the case for that, and only cursory mention given
to a bridge or tunnel to cross the WCML. Whilst I fully expect the
tunnel to be expensive, it would have been more helpful for a heavy
rail option using said tunnel to have been considered.

On 15/12/2011 08:38, Peter Masson wrote:


"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote

The New Lines to Watford Junction, and the Bushey Triangle (to give
access to Croxley depot) were electrified in 1917, basically as soon
as the Bakerloo Line was ready to use it.

The Croxley Green branch was electrified in 1922 and the Rickmansworth
branch in 1927. This is just as likely to be post-war austerity and
dealing with Grouping as any other reason.

The Met Watford branch was opened in 1925, and electrified from the
start, though for the first few months half the service was provided by
steam GC trains from Marylebone. There was also, until 1934, a shuttle
service between Rickmansworth and Watford. When the Croxley link is
opened is there a case for an Amersham to Watford Junction service, as
well as Met trains from Aldgate/Baker Street?

Peter

Remind me: I am from Watford but live in Birmingham. There is a Croxley
and a Croxley Green Station. Which lines are they on?

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painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

"Martin Edwards" wrote

Remind me: I am from Watford but live in Birmingham. There is a Croxley
and a Croxley Green Station. Which lines are they on?

Croxley is the intermediate station on the Met Watford branch. Watford West
is the (closed) terminus of the LNWR branch from Watford Junction and
Watford High Street. The Croxley Link will be a new link from Croxley to
join the Croxley Green branch, which would be reopened, with teh stub from
Croxley to the Met's Watford terminus being closed. Met trains from Aldgate
and Baker Street via Harrow-on-the-Hill would be diverted over the link to
terminate at Watford Junction.

Peter