In message , at
16:22:48 on Sat, 31 Dec 2011, Neil Williams
remarked:
and a reference elsewhere to hotel free shuttles being scrapped in
~2003 as a result of the Hotel Hoppa part of the Freeflow scheme.

I thought that was longer ago - I have a distinct memory of going
outward on a trip on a free shuttle, and using the Hotel Hoppa on the
way back, and this was far earlier - 1996?

Maybe, but there's a dearth of evidence for this; if you can find any,
it would help.
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Roland Perry

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:32:33 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
Maybe, but there's a dearth of evidence for this; if you can find
any,
it would help.

Can't seem to find any, sorry.

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:32:33 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
Maybe, but there's a dearth of evidence for this; if you can find
any,
it would help.

Can't seem to find any, sorry.

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

What, there's no Wikipedia page? Shock, horror.

On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:23:28 -0000, "Graham Harrison"
wrote:
What, there's no Wikipedia page? Shock, horror.

There is, but it is a bit lacking in historical info.

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

In message , at 01:23:28 on
Sun, 1 Jan 2012, Graham Harrison
remarked:
Maybe, but there's a dearth of evidence for this; if you can find
any, it would help.

Can't seem to find any, sorry.

Neil

What, there's no Wikipedia page? Shock, horror.

It's an interesting case, because the Heathrow Wikipedia page could
easily mention in passing when the scheme started, but doesn't. And
given that Heathrow logistics is hardly a minor issue, the lack of any
historical notes about it (even on BAA's sites) is a bit strange. You'd
think they at least would have some sort of local transport evolution
timeline.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote in news:6VJnXnm1tF
:

In message , at 11:31:42 on Thu, 29
Dec 2011, Paul Terry remarked:

And how many airline passengers have Oyster cards?

Quite a few I would imagine, given the number of people living in
Greater London who have them and who might well be flying out of
Heathrow.

They don't need a free transfer, because their ticket will have been
valid to/from the appropriate terminal anyway[1]. So the travellers this
is aimed at will be landside transit ones, who typically aren't
Londoners [1](bis).

[1] Give or take edge cases like Londoners doing a transfer at Heathrow
without leaving the airport vicinity).

I take your point, but those of us who arrive or leave Heathrow by bus - eg
the X26 to Kingston/Sutton - that call (only) at the central bus station
will save a few bob when leaving from or arriving at T4 and T5. Bus often
beats rail for circumferential journeys from LHR.

Peter CS

On Dec 29 2011, 12:22*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:31:42 on Thu, 29
Dec 2011, Paul Terry remarked:

And how many airline passengers have Oyster cards?

Quite a few I would imagine, given the number of people living in
Greater London who have them and who might well be flying out of
Heathrow.

They don't need a free transfer, because their ticket will have been
valid to/from the appropriate terminal anyway[1]. So the travellers this
is aimed at will be landside transit ones, who typically aren't
Londoners [1](bis).

Disagree. Airport staff.


[1] Give or take edge cases like Londoners doing a transfer at Heathrow
without leaving the airport vicinity).

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:02:41 +0000 (UTC), Peter Campbell Smith
wrote:

I take your point, but those of us who arrive or leave Heathrow by bus - eg
the X26 to Kingston/Sutton - that call (only) at the central bus station
will save a few bob when leaving from or arriving at T4 and T5. Bus often
beats rail for circumferential journeys from LHR.

Agreed - it's a pity, then, that the Free Travel Area doesn't apply to
Underground journeys starting at Hatton Cross as it can be much
quicker to get off a bus there rather than at the bus station,
especially if going to T5 or in all cases when getting a "via
everywhere" 285...

Richard.

"Richard" wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:02:41 +0000 (UTC), Peter Campbell Smith
wrote:

I take your point, but those of us who arrive or leave Heathrow by bus -
eg
the X26 to Kingston/Sutton - that call (only) at the central bus station
will save a few bob when leaving from or arriving at T4 and T5. Bus often
beats rail for circumferential journeys from LHR.

Agreed - it's a pity, then, that the Free Travel Area doesn't apply to
Underground journeys starting at Hatton Cross as it can be much
quicker to get off a bus there rather than at the bus station,
especially if going to T5 or in all cases when getting a "via
everywhere" 285...

Probably a revenue protection issue as if Hatton Cross - Heathrow was free
then passengers from Central London would only have to pay a Z1-5 fare
instead of Z1-6.

Peter Smyth