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No details of funding yet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-Johnson.html

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Basil Jet wrote:


No details of funding yet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-Johnson.html




But it's not exactly a "third Blackwall Tunnel", is it? It would run
from Silvertown to Charlton, so it's further east, and it would
connect with local roads rather than the A12 and A2. In those
respects, it is more of an alternative to the Woolwich Ferry.

It's a bit hypocritical of Boris to put this forward now he's seeking
re-election because he cancelled the dual 3-lane Thames Gateway bridge
project in 2008, months after becoming Mayor, ostensibly (1) for
environmental reasons and (2) because there was no money for it.

The Thames Gateway bridge would have been further to the east, about
as far downstream of the Woolwich Ferry as this tunnel would be
upstream.

The same amount of traffic using a tunnel would produce exactly the
same emissions as if it used a bridge, so the environmental reasons
have obviously been thrown out of the window again prior to the
election. Plus, there is even less money now than there was in 2008,
so you can be sure that this project is ready to go straight on the
back burner as soon as the election results are announced.

As for the Beckton to Thamesmead car ferry. what a laugh! The
Woolwich Ferry has been recognised for years as an almost completely
irrelevant transport link, so let's build another one! You could not
make this up. It is all about electioneering, no more and no less.

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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:49:45 +0000, Bruce wrote:

As for the Beckton to Thamesmead car ferry. what a laugh! The
Woolwich Ferry has been recognised for years as an almost completely
irrelevant transport link, so let's build another one! You could not
make this up. It is all about electioneering, no more and no less.


If Wikipedia is to be believed, it is common for vehicles to have to queue
beyond the next ferry departure. When people are willing to wait instead of
crossing elsewhere, I would say it as a relevant transport link.

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Jarle H Knudsen wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:49:45 +0000, Bruce wrote:
As for the Beckton to Thamesmead car ferry. what a laugh! The
Woolwich Ferry has been recognised for years as an almost completely
irrelevant transport link, so let's build another one! You could not
make this up. It is all about electioneering, no more and no less.


If Wikipedia is to be believed, it is common for vehicles to have to queue
beyond the next ferry departure. When people are willing to wait instead of
crossing elsewhere, I would say it as a relevant transport link.



You are entitled to be just as stupid as you wish, and I have
absolutely no right to stop you.



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On 2012\01\17 09:51, Bruce wrote:
Jarle H wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:49:45 +0000, Bruce wrote:
As for the Beckton to Thamesmead car ferry. what a laugh! The
Woolwich Ferry has been recognised for years as an almost completely
irrelevant transport link, so let's build another one! You could not
make this up. It is all about electioneering, no more and no less.


If Wikipedia is to be believed, it is common for vehicles to have to queue
beyond the next ferry departure. When people are willing to wait instead of
crossing elsewhere, I would say it as a relevant transport link.



You are entitled to be just as stupid as you wish, and I have
absolutely no right to stop you.


I thought his comment was most useful.
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 2012\01\17 09:51, Bruce wrote:
Jarle H wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:49:45 +0000, Bruce wrote:
As for the Beckton to Thamesmead car ferry. what a laugh! The
Woolwich Ferry has been recognised for years as an almost completely
irrelevant transport link, so let's build another one! You could not
make this up. It is all about electioneering, no more and no less.

If Wikipedia is to be believed, it is common for vehicles to have to queue
beyond the next ferry departure. When people are willing to wait instead of
crossing elsewhere, I would say it as a relevant transport link.



You are entitled to be just as stupid as you wish, and I have
absolutely no right to stop you.


I thought his comment was most useful.



I'm so pleased.

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On 2012\01\17 13:08, Bruce wrote:
Basil wrote:
On 2012\01\17 09:51, Bruce wrote:
Jarle H wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:49:45 +0000, Bruce wrote:
As for the Beckton to Thamesmead car ferry. what a laugh! The
Woolwich Ferry has been recognised for years as an almost completely
irrelevant transport link, so let's build another one! You could not
make this up. It is all about electioneering, no more and no less.

If Wikipedia is to be believed, it is common for vehicles to have to queue
beyond the next ferry departure. When people are willing to wait instead of
crossing elsewhere, I would say it as a relevant transport link.


You are entitled to be just as stupid as you wish, and I have
absolutely no right to stop you.


I thought his comment was most useful.


I'm so pleased.


I said that not for your benefit but for his.
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Basil Jet wrote:

On 2012\01\17 13:08, Bruce wrote:
Basil wrote:
On 2012\01\17 09:51, Bruce wrote:
Jarle H wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:49:45 +0000, Bruce wrote:
As for the Beckton to Thamesmead car ferry. what a laugh! The
Woolwich Ferry has been recognised for years as an almost completely
irrelevant transport link, so let's build another one! You could not
make this up. It is all about electioneering, no more and no less.

If Wikipedia is to be believed, it is common for vehicles to have to queue
beyond the next ferry departure. When people are willing to wait instead of
crossing elsewhere, I would say it as a relevant transport link.


You are entitled to be just as stupid as you wish, and I have
absolutely no right to stop you.

I thought his comment was most useful.


I'm so pleased.


I said that not for your benefit but for his.



He will be so pleased as well.

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I would be interested to understand Bruce's travel patterns /
activities in making such comments re the Woolwich Ferry.

Irrelevant? A laugh?

Methinks he does not live / work / take recreation round here. Perhaps
if he took a trip on the ferry - particularly in the morning peak - he
would change his tune.

The slightly worrying thing the proposal to put the new ferry outside
my study window is that the operating times are foreseen as similar to
the existing ferry. IMO we need later running in the evenings.

And why not a three boat service?

Also, it would be good to have some modest development at the terminal
- a restaurant / bar would be useful.

Kenw



On 2012-01-15 18:49:45 +0000, Bruce said:

Basil Jet wrote:


No details of funding yet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-Johnson.html




But it's not exactly a "third Blackwall Tunnel", is it? It would run
from Silvertown to Charlton, so it's further east, and it would
connect with local roads rather than the A12 and A2. In those
respects, it is more of an alternative to the Woolwich Ferry.

It's a bit hypocritical of Boris to put this forward now he's seeking
re-election because he cancelled the dual 3-lane Thames Gateway bridge
project in 2008, months after becoming Mayor, ostensibly (1) for
environmental reasons and (2) because there was no money for it.

The Thames Gateway bridge would have been further to the east, about
as far downstream of the Woolwich Ferry as this tunnel would be
upstream.

The same amount of traffic using a tunnel would produce exactly the
same emissions as if it used a bridge, so the environmental reasons
have obviously been thrown out of the window again prior to the
election. Plus, there is even less money now than there was in 2008,
so you can be sure that this project is ready to go straight on the
back burner as soon as the election results are announced.

As for the Beckton to Thamesmead car ferry. what a laugh! The
Woolwich Ferry has been recognised for years as an almost completely
irrelevant transport link, so let's build another one! You could not
make this up. It is all about electioneering, no more and no less.



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