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German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
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On 13/02/2012 10:03, Lüko Willms wrote: Am 13.02.2012 08:52, schrieb Arthur Figgis: unsure whether they are adopting post office queueing or not what is meant by "post office queueing" in this context? Cheers, L.W. The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. At least I think that's what it means. That's happening in only a very small number of branches, mainly former Crown offices. Most other POs still use a queueing system. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On 13/02/2012 21:32, Bruce wrote:
wrote: On 13/02/2012 10:03, Lüko Willms wrote: Am 13.02.2012 08:52, schrieb Arthur Figgis: unsure whether they are adopting post office queueing or not what is meant by "post office queueing" in this context? Cheers, L.W. The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. At least I think that's what it means. That's happening in only a very small number of branches, mainly former Crown offices. Most other POs still use a queueing system. Yes, I have seen that as well. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
Am 13.02.2012 22:32, schrieb Bruce:
what is meant by "post office queueing" in this context? The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. That's happening in only a very small number of branches, mainly former Crown offices. Most other POs still use a queueing system. Taking a number is also a form of queuing, just the sequence of the items on the queue is controlled by numbers instead of persons standing one behind the other. Cheers, L.W. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On Feb 13, 9:32*pm, Bruce wrote: " wrote: On 13/02/2012 10:03, Lüko Willms wrote: what is meant by "post office queueing" in this context? The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. At least I think that's what it means. That's happening in only a very small number of branches, mainly former Crown offices. *Most other POs still use a queueing system. Interesting opportunities for a blackmarket in ticket selling... 'ere mate, 50p for number 362 - you'll be seen in a couple a minutes (and I'll have enough for a tinny of White Lightening...)' |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
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German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
Mizter T wrote:
On Feb 13, 9:32*pm, Bruce wrote: " wrote: On 13/02/2012 10:03, Lüko Willms wrote: what is meant by "post office queueing" in this context? The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. At least I think that's what it means. That's happening in only a very small number of branches, mainly former Crown offices. *Most other POs still use a queueing system. Interesting opportunities for a blackmarket in ticket selling... 'ere mate, 50p for number 362 - you'll be seen in a couple a minutes (and I'll have enough for a tinny of White Lightening...)' I queued up in the Post Office in Centre MK last year and there was a 35 minute wait to be served. About half the wait was due to people whose numbers were being called having already left. When their number came up, the counter clerk waited patiently for about a minute and a half then moved on to the next number. The average number of missed numbers between genuine customers was about 1.7 - you can collect a lot of data in 35 minutes. ;-) |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On Feb 13, 10:39*pm, Bruce wrote: Mizter T wrote: [...[ Interesting opportunities for a blackmarket in ticket selling... 'ere mate, 50p for number 362 - you'll be seen in a couple a minutes (and I'll have enough for a tinny of White Lightening...)' I queued up in the Post Office in Centre MK last year and there was a 35 minute wait to be served. *About half the wait was due to people whose numbers were being called having already left. *When their number came up, the counter clerk waited patiently for about a minute and a half then moved on to the next number. The average number of missed numbers between genuine customers was about 1.7 - you can collect a lot of data in 35 minutes. *;-) Yeah, sorry about that - a lot of people seemed reluctant to take me up on my offer, perhaps it was my fragrant breath and slight slur - but worry not, I got enough for a whole 3 litre bottle plus some change for the one armed bandit in the chippy, and a number of saplings got watered too. MK - town of the future. Not sure about the milk from those Fresians though. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On 13/02/2012 22:21, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 13/02/2012 21:11, wrote: On 13/02/2012 10:03, Lüko Willms wrote: Am 13.02.2012 08:52, schrieb Arthur Figgis: unsure whether they are adopting post office queueing or not what is meant by "post office queueing" in this context? Cheers, L.W. The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. At least I think that's what it means. No.; one queue feeding multiple windows/tills/etc. Does the ticket based model have a name - I've heard it called deli[catessen] style? It seems to be common at foreign railway station travel centre style ticket offices. No idea. I just use the automated postal machines when and where I can, mainly to avoid surly staff. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On Feb 13, 11:08*pm, " wrote: On 13/02/2012 22:21, Arthur Figgis wrote: [...] Does the ticket based model have a name - I've heard it called deli[catessen] style? It seems to be common at foreign railway station travel centre style ticket offices. No idea. I just use the automated postal machines when and where I can, mainly to avoid surly staff. What about the surly customers? (FWIW, the staff at my nearest sub-Post Office are fantastic.) |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:11:39 +0000, "
wrote: On 13/02/2012 10:03, Lüko Willms wrote: Am 13.02.2012 08:52, schrieb Arthur Figgis: unsure whether they are adopting post office queueing or not what is meant by "post office queueing" in this context? Cheers, L.W. The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. At least I think that's what it means. Yes - _MOST_ people do confuse Royal Mail with Post Office Ltd (formerly Post Office Counters Ltd) , which is a quite separate organisation. Post Office Ltd run the outfit with places where you can queue up, buy stamps, queue up, bank, queue up, hand in parcels for delivery etc, whereas Royal Mail are the folks who trudge around the streets most mornings (or afternoons!) shoving stuff through letterboxes. -- Frank Erskine |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:11:39 +0000, "
wrote: The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. The Swiss do that, and it's a good system as it means you can prepare paperwork more easily while waiting. Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:56:00 +0000, Frank Erskine
wrote: On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:11:39 +0000, " wrote: On 13/02/2012 10:03, Lüko Willms wrote: Am 13.02.2012 08:52, schrieb Arthur Figgis: unsure whether they are adopting post office queueing or not what is meant by "post office queueing" in this context? Cheers, L.W. The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. At least I think that's what it means. Yes - _MOST_ people do confuse Royal Mail with Post Office Ltd (formerly Post Office Counters Ltd) , which is a quite separate organisation. Separate as in wholly-owned by Royal Mail Group Ltd. Post Office Ltd run the outfit with places where you can queue up, buy stamps, queue up, bank, queue up, hand in parcels for delivery etc, whereas Royal Mail are the folks who trudge around the streets most mornings (or afternoons!) shoving stuff through letterboxes. That is Royal Mail Group Ltd. which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Royal Mail Holdings plc. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On 13/02/2012 22:21, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 13/02/2012 10:03, Lüko Willms wrote: what is meant by "post office queueing" in this context? Cheers, L.W. The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. No.; one queue feeding multiple windows/tills/etc. Does the ticket based model have a name - I've heard it called deli[catessen] style? It seems to be common at foreign railway station travel centre style ticket offices. And at fish counters in some Spanish supermarkets! |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
In message , at 21:11:39 on Mon,
13 Feb 2012, " remarked: what is meant by "post office queueing" in this context? The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Only some of its branches, as I've not seen this in any of them. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. At least I think that's what it means. I'd call that delicatessen queuing. -- Roland Perry |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On Feb 14, 12:08*am, "
wrote: No idea. I just use the automated postal machines when and where I can, mainly to avoid surly staff. I use online services and the "print your own postage" service these days. Covers most things except registered post and the likes. Neil |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
Mizter T wrote:
Yeah, sorry about that - a lot of people seemed reluctant to take me up on my offer, perhaps it was my fragrant breath and slight slur - but worry not, I got enough for a whole 3 litre bottle plus some change for the one armed bandit in the chippy, and a number of saplings got watered too. MK - town of the future. Sharply observed. You've obviously been there. ;-) Not sure about the milk from those Fresians though. The udders are a bit hard on the hands. ;-) |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
Charles Ellson wrote:
Frank Erskine wrote: Yes - _MOST_ people do confuse Royal Mail with Post Office Ltd (formerly Post Office Counters Ltd) , which is a quite separate organisation. Separate as in wholly-owned by Royal Mail Group Ltd. Post Office Ltd run the outfit with places where you can queue up, buy stamps, queue up, bank, queue up, hand in parcels for delivery etc, whereas Royal Mail are the folks who trudge around the streets most mornings (or afternoons!) shoving stuff through letterboxes. That is Royal Mail Group Ltd. which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Royal Mail Holdings plc. In the past, the Post Office owned the Royal Mail. More recently, the Post Office has been *owned by* the Royal Mail. That's all about to change, or may already have changed. The two are to be permanently separated. Royal Mail is due to be privatised soon while Post Offices will remain in the public sector. A ten year agreement has just been signed between Royal Mail and the Post Office covering their new commercial relationship as separate entities. In future, Post Office counter services will be supported by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
In message
, at 02:23:03 on Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Neil Williams remarked: I use online services and the "print your own postage" service these days. That'll be the online postage system which was offline for weeks last December? -- Roland Perry |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
Neil Williams wrote:
On Feb 14, 12:08*am, " wrote: No idea. I just use the automated postal machines when and where I can, mainly to avoid surly staff. I use online services and the "print your own postage" service these days. Covers most things except registered post and the likes. I try to use Post Offices wherever possible. But if I lived in Milton Keynes I might print my own postage. Over the last few years, I must have spent many hours in queues in the Centre MK and Bletchley POs, the latter being particularly slow after being reduced from nine counter positions to three. :-( |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:39:53 +0000, Bruce
wrote: Charles Ellson wrote: Frank Erskine wrote: Yes - _MOST_ people do confuse Royal Mail with Post Office Ltd (formerly Post Office Counters Ltd) , which is a quite separate organisation. Separate as in wholly-owned by Royal Mail Group Ltd. Post Office Ltd run the outfit with places where you can queue up, buy stamps, queue up, bank, queue up, hand in parcels for delivery etc, whereas Royal Mail are the folks who trudge around the streets most mornings (or afternoons!) shoving stuff through letterboxes. That is Royal Mail Group Ltd. which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Royal Mail Holdings plc. In the past, the Post Office owned the Royal Mail. More recently, the Post Office has been *owned by* the Royal Mail. That's all about to change, or may already have changed. The two are to be permanently separated. Royal Mail is due to be privatised soon while Post Offices will remain in the public sector. A ten year agreement has just been signed between Royal Mail and the Post Office covering their new commercial relationship as separate entities. In future, Post Office counter services will be supported by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. "Supported by" ? I detect more meaningless HMG guff. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:39:53 +0000, Bruce wrote: Charles Ellson wrote: Frank Erskine wrote: Yes - _MOST_ people do confuse Royal Mail with Post Office Ltd (formerly Post Office Counters Ltd) , which is a quite separate organisation. Separate as in wholly-owned by Royal Mail Group Ltd. Post Office Ltd run the outfit with places where you can queue up, buy stamps, queue up, bank, queue up, hand in parcels for delivery etc, whereas Royal Mail are the folks who trudge around the streets most mornings (or afternoons!) shoving stuff through letterboxes. That is Royal Mail Group Ltd. which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Royal Mail Holdings plc. In the past, the Post Office owned the Royal Mail. More recently, the Post Office has been *owned by* the Royal Mail. That's all about to change, or may already have changed. The two are to be permanently separated. Royal Mail is due to be privatised soon while Post Offices will remain in the public sector. A ten year agreement has just been signed between Royal Mail and the Post Office covering their new commercial relationship as separate entities. In future, Post Office counter services will be supported by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. "Supported by" ? I detect more meaningless HMG guff. I apologise for my choice of words. My choice, no-one else's. The word I should have used is "sponsored". |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On 14/02/2012 10:23, Neil Williams wrote:
On Feb 14, 12:08 am, wrote: No idea. I just use the automated postal machines when and where I can, mainly to avoid surly staff. I use online services and the "print your own postage" service these days. Covers most things except registered post and the likes. Neil Yep, that also works. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On 14/02/2012 06:29, Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:11:39 +0000, " wrote: The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. The Swiss do that, and it's a good system as it means you can prepare paperwork more easily while waiting. Neil I think that the Dutch and Germans also do that. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
schreef
: On 14/02/2012 06:29, Neil Williams wrote: : On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:11:39 +0000, wrote: : The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead : of : queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of : service that you require and approach a counter when your number is : called. : The Swiss do that, and it's a good system as it means you can prepare : paperwork more easily while waiting. : I think that the Dutch and Germans also do that. The queue ticket system is common in many European countries, including Belgium, in all kinds of offices and businesses. Colin Youngs Brussels |
German fare dodgers cause headache for publictransportoperators - The Guardian
Arthur Figgis schrieb: There probably aren't all that many places where the situation arises - there would generally be lights and barriers, or no safety systems at all - but in general I think people would wait for a train. Why? Hans-Joachim |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
Am 15.02.2012 23:03, schrieb Colin Youngs:
: queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of : service that you require and approach a counter when your number is : called. The queue ticket system is common in many European countries, including Belgium, in all kinds of offices and businesses. The other method is to ask (aloud) "Who is last?" and then look for that person, and replying to the next arrival asking "who is last?". Cheers, L.W. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
Lüko Willms wrote:
The other method is to ask (aloud) "Who is last?" and then look for that person, and replying to the next arrival asking "who is last?". That's too simple, Lüko, and in any case, we don't talk to strangers! -- Alex |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:58:04 +0000, Alex Potter
wrote: That's too simple, Lüko, and in any case, we don't talk to strangers! There is the similar barber shop variant, in which you are expected to work out who is before you without a visible queue or asking. Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On 18/02/2012 00:50, Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:58:04 +0000, Alex Potter wrote: That's too simple, Lüko, and in any case, we don't talk to strangers! There is the similar barber shop variant, in which you are expected to work out who is before you without a visible queue or asking. Or doctors, where you do that but while feeling ill, and often with a language/comprehension barrier (until they started fitting LED screens, hurrah). -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
In message , at
00:50:46 on Sat, 18 Feb 2012, Neil Williams remarked: There is the similar barber shop variant, in which you are expected to work out who is before you without a visible queue or asking. No, you don't need to know anything about the people who arrived before you. All that's necessary is to know is that of all the people still waiting, you were first to arrive (and therefore saw all the others arrive after you). The same is true at pubs where the staff are too incompetent to note the order of arrivals, and ask the customers "who is next". -- Roland Perry |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:58:04 +0000, Alex Potter wrote: That's too simple, Lüko, and in any case, we don't talk to strangers! There is the similar barber shop variant, in which you are expected to work out who is before you without a visible queue or asking. That's easy; everyone is before you except those who came after you. ;-) |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
"Neil Williams" wrote in message
.net... On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:58:04 +0000, Alex Potter wrote: That's too simple, Lüko, and in any case, we don't talk to strangers! There is the similar barber shop variant, in which you are expected to work out who is before you without a visible queue or asking. I just do a quick count at my local one man operated place... Paul |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
wrote in message ... On 14/02/2012 06:29, Neil Williams wrote: On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:11:39 +0000, " wrote: The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. The Swiss do that, and it's a good system as it means you can prepare paperwork more easily while waiting. Neil I think that the Dutch and Germans also do that. They do it flipping everywhere they can think of in Sweden. I even used to make the joke that it was so prevalent they did it in the supermarket when you queued up with your trolley to pay - until one day I visited a supermarket that did exactly that! tim |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
"Neil Williams" wrote in message .net... On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:58:04 +0000, Alex Potter wrote: That's too simple, Lüko, and in any case, we don't talk to strangers! There is the similar barber shop variant, in which you are expected to work out who is before you without a visible queue or asking. Is there a rule about (not) asking? I break that every time! tim |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
"Neil Williams" wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 2:23 pm, Ross-a-travelling wrote: They don't?! Not to the extent that people do in the UK, where they are an entirely optional aid to pedestrianism, to be used only when the traffic is too heavy not to use them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- And only after making sure that there's not a policeman watching - one of my (then) colleagues was ticketed for the offence whilst working there tim |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators- The Guardian
On 18/02/2012 13:59, tim.... wrote:
wrote in message ... On 14/02/2012 06:29, Neil Williams wrote: On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:11:39 +0000, " wrote: The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. The Swiss do that, and it's a good system as it means you can prepare paperwork more easily while waiting. Neil I think that the Dutch and Germans also do that. They do it flipping everywhere they can think of in Sweden. I even used to make the joke that it was so prevalent they did it in the supermarket when you queued up with your trolley to pay - until one day I visited a supermarket that did exactly that! tim I would think that they are using automatic checkout points now, as they do here in England. |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
"tim...." schreef
: They do it flipping everywhere they can think of in Sweden. I even used to : make the joke that it was so prevalent they did it in the supermarket when : you queued up with your trolley to pay - until one day I visited a : supermarket that did exactly that! At the station in Stockholm, I was asked to take a queue ticket even though there was no queue ... Colin Youngs Brussels |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
Bruce schrieb: Not just in Britain, then! http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/02/german-fare-dodgers-public-transport German fare dodgers cause headache for public transport operators Vienna action instead of German whining: http://www.wienerlinien.at/eportal/e...ontentId/25239 Hans-Joachim |
German fare dodgers cause headache for publictransportoperators - The Guardian
tim.... schrieb: And only after making sure that there's not a policeman watching - one of my (then) colleagues was ticketed for the offence whilst working there That's absolutely correct that way: If he was blind enough not to see the policeman, he won't have seen kids either, so everything as it should be. Motorcycle riders in Germany, notorious for their disobedience, call the the boys and girls in blue "Rennleitung". Hans-Joachim |
German fare dodgers cause headache for public transportoperators - The Guardian
wrote in message ... On 18/02/2012 13:59, tim.... wrote: wrote in message ... On 14/02/2012 06:29, Neil Williams wrote: On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:11:39 +0000, " wrote: The Royal Mail has undertaken a redesign of its branches. Instead of queuing in a line, you take a number from a machine for the type of service that you require and approach a counter when your number is called. The Swiss do that, and it's a good system as it means you can prepare paperwork more easily while waiting. Neil I think that the Dutch and Germans also do that. They do it flipping everywhere they can think of in Sweden. I even used to make the joke that it was so prevalent they did it in the supermarket when you queued up with your trolley to pay - until one day I visited a supermarket that did exactly that! tim I would think that they are using automatic checkout points now, as they do here in England. Yeah there was some of those on my last visit. They were as poorly used as they are in GB tim |
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