On Feb 22, 8:07*pm, Neil Williams wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:52:06 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
Does that mean there's actually no such thing as an "&HS1"
Travelcard?

AIUI correct.

In terms of inboundary Travelcards, yes I agree. (For an outboundary
Travelcard - from say Ashford or Dover, it'll either be "Route: any
permitted" and so valid on HS1, or "Route: Not HS1" but upgradable for
travel on HS1 with a supplement.

It's not so much an upgrade, as a supplement for one ride on the
HS1. Maybe it *is* just the same as buying a new ticket?

I think it may well be.

Ditto.

For Stratford Int'l to St Pancras Int'l...

Anytime Single - GBP5.70.
Anytime Day Return - GBP9.80
Off Peak Day Return - GBP7.30

There's no way of upgrading an inboundary Travelcard (nor indeed an
outboundary Travelcard for a journey that would never go via HS1 even
on payment of a supplement, e.g. Reading to London Travelcard, or
Cambridge to London Travelcard).

Those with an inboundary Travelcard don't get any special benefits or
discounts if they want to travel from Stratford to St Pancras (or vice
versa) on HS1 - they need to buy a single, day return or season as
required.

If some LUL services went up the spout. I wonder if "tickets and
travelcards will be valid on HS1 trains"?

In message
, at
17:31:38 on Wed, 22 Feb 2012, Mizter T remarked:

On Feb 22, 8:07*pm, Neil Williams wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:52:06 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
Does that mean there's actually no such thing as an "&HS1"
Travelcard?

AIUI correct.

In terms of inboundary Travelcards, yes I agree. (For an outboundary
Travelcard - from say Ashford or Dover, it'll either be "Route: any
permitted" and so valid on HS1, or "Route: Not HS1" but upgradable for
travel on HS1 with a supplement.

The chap at the station specifically said that an outboundary Travelcard
marked "Any Permitted" was *not* valid on HS1. He looked at that part of
mine, and didn't even read where it was issued (because he asked that
later). He said that (eg) Ashford ones would have some sort of "&HS1"
routing (I forget the exact phrase).

It's not so much an upgrade, as a supplement for one ride on the
HS1. Maybe it *is* just the same as buying a new ticket?

I think it may well be.

Ditto.

For Stratford Int'l to St Pancras Int'l...

Anytime Single - GBP5.70.
Anytime Day Return - GBP9.80
Off Peak Day Return - GBP7.30

I have a feeling he quoted £5.30, bicbw.

There's no way of upgrading an inboundary Travelcard (nor indeed an
outboundary Travelcard for a journey that would never go via HS1 even
on payment of a supplement, e.g. Reading to London Travelcard, or
Cambridge to London Travelcard).

Indeed, but what about a supplement, to add a one-shot HS1 trip?

Those with an inboundary Travelcard don't get any special benefits or
discounts if they want to travel from Stratford to St Pancras (or vice
versa) on HS1 - they need to buy a single, day return or season as
required.

--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message
, at
17:31:38 on Wed, 22 Feb 2012, Mizter T remarked:

On Feb 22, 8:07 pm, Neil Williams wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:52:06 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
Does that mean there's actually no such thing as an "&HS1"
Travelcard?

AIUI correct.

In terms of inboundary Travelcards, yes I agree. (For an outboundary
Travelcard - from say Ashford or Dover, it'll either be "Route: any
permitted" and so valid on HS1, or "Route: Not HS1" but upgradable for
travel on HS1 with a supplement.

The chap at the station specifically said that an outboundary Travelcard
marked "Any Permitted" was *not* valid on HS1. He looked at that part of
mine, and didn't even read where it was issued (because he asked that
later). He said that (eg) Ashford ones would have some sort of "&HS1"
routing (I forget the exact phrase).

You were right first time.

They say "any permitted" or "Not HS1" where that indication ONLY applies to
the "single use" part of the ticket. It is irrelevant to any travelcard
element of the ticket, which (as you have been told) is never valid on HS1.

Of course, to see whether HS1 is permitted on an Any permitted ticket
requires you to look at the routing guide (in the same way that you might if
you wanted to know if it is valid to travel e.g. from Manchester into
Paddington via Reading - which IIRC used to be valid, but isn't any more).


It's not so much an upgrade, as a supplement for one ride on the
HS1. Maybe it *is* just the same as buying a new ticket?

I think it may well be.

Ditto.

For Stratford Int'l to St Pancras Int'l...

Anytime Single - GBP5.70.
Anytime Day Return - GBP9.80
Off Peak Day Return - GBP7.30

I have a feeling he quoted £5.30, bicbw.

There's no way of upgrading an inboundary Travelcard (nor indeed an
outboundary Travelcard for a journey that would never go via HS1 even
on payment of a supplement, e.g. Reading to London Travelcard, or
Cambridge to London Travelcard).

Indeed, but what about a supplement, to add a one-shot HS1 trip?

There isn't one - live with it :-)

tim

In message , at 14:59:57 on Sat, 25 Feb
2012, tim.... remarked:
They say "any permitted" or "Not HS1" where that indication ONLY applies to
the "single use" part of the ticket. It is irrelevant to any travelcard
element of the ticket, which (as you have been told) is never valid on HS1.

So if the chap was correct in saying there were "&HS1" Travelcards,
you'd have to bail out to the tube/overground/etc at Stratford on the
inbound journey (having arrived at Stratford on a Javelin from Kent)

Or is there some misunderstanding about the existence of such tickets?
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 14:59:57 on Sat, 25 Feb
2012, tim.... remarked:
They say "any permitted" or "Not HS1" where that indication ONLY applies
to
the "single use" part of the ticket. It is irrelevant to any travelcard
element of the ticket, which (as you have been told) is never valid on
HS1.

So if the chap was correct in saying there were "&HS1" Travelcards, you'd
have to bail out to the tube/overground/etc at Stratford on the inbound
journey (having arrived at Stratford on a Javelin from Kent)

Or is there some misunderstanding about the existence of such tickets?

I don't think he is right in saying that there are some routes with "+HS1"
tickets (as in a single main ticket, not an add on) but as I (obviously)
haven't checked all the possibilities there might be.

But if there is, the same rule would apply that the +HS1 is only applicable
to the single through journey to/from Ebbsfleet to London and would be valid
to either StP for Stratford for one single journey (per direction of
ticket).

Though one thing I don't know (and have been meaning to try for ages) is,
can I break my journey at Stratford (to visit the shopping centre) and then
continue later to StP (which would be my intended destination whenever I buy
super expensive ticket)?

tim

In message , at 17:13:22 on Sat, 25 Feb
2012, tim.... remarked:
I don't think he is right in saying that there are some routes with "+HS1"
tickets

Kent-issued outboundary Travelcards, specifically.

(as in a single main ticket, not an add on) but as I (obviously)
haven't checked all the possibilities there might be.

But if there is, the same rule would apply that the +HS1 is only applicable
to the single through journey to/from Ebbsfleet to London and would be valid
to either StP for Stratford for one single journey (per direction of
ticket).

The "only one journey" rule applies to the part outside the Travelcard
zones, once inside you can make as many journeys as you like (modulo the
possibility that even the semi-mythical +HS1 Travelcard might be invalid
from Stratford to StP.

Though one thing I don't know (and have been meaning to try for ages) is,
can I break my journey at Stratford (to visit the shopping centre) and then
continue later to StP (which would be my intended destination whenever I buy
super expensive ticket)?

If it's a CDR on HS1, then it should allow BoJ.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:13:22 on Sat, 25 Feb
2012, tim.... remarked:
I don't think he is right in saying that there are some routes with "+HS1"
tickets

Kent-issued outboundary Travelcards, specifically.

The "Kent part is clear, and I don't think that it being a TC makes it any
different to a through ticket to somewhere North (/West) of London.

I'm reasonably sure that all of the obvious Kent origins work as I've
described, but their could be some weird ones for which the "any permitted"
didn't allow travel via Ashford on the historic line, but which makes sense
to use HS1 - Hasting via Rye, may be one. Or Headcorn to London which
wasn't available via HS1 (ISTR that if your origin is Pluckley doubling back
from Ashford is allowed), until they introduced the Maidstone service.



(as in a single main ticket, not an add on) but as I (obviously)
haven't checked all the possibilities there might be.

But if there is, the same rule would apply that the +HS1 is only
applicable
to the single through journey to/from Ebbsfleet to London and would be
valid
to either StP for Stratford for one single journey (per direction of
ticket).

The "only one journey" rule applies to the part outside the Travelcard
zones, once inside you can make as many journeys as you like (modulo the
possibility that even the semi-mythical +HS1 Travelcard might be invalid
from Stratford to StP.

No, I don't think so. HS1 is part of your inbound journey and can only be
travelled once.


Though one thing I don't know (and have been meaning to try for ages) is,
can I break my journey at Stratford (to visit the shopping centre) and
then
continue later to StP (which would be my intended destination whenever I
buy
super expensive ticket)?

If it's a CDR on HS1, then it should allow BoJ.

I know, but how do I prove that.

tim