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Just opened my copy of the Western Gazette (our local weekly here in
Somerset) and found an advertisement from TfL warning about hotspot stations during the Olympics. How widespread is such advertising? |
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In message , at 13:47:58 on
Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Graham Harrison remarked: Just opened my copy of the Western Gazette (our local weekly here in Somerset) and found an advertisement from TfL warning about hotspot stations during the Olympics. How widespread is such advertising? Ah, the ambiguous hotspots. Virgin wifi, or crowded platforms? Presumably the latter, and I expect we'll see a lot more of this over the coming months. The plans, which involve considerable congestion at various points, also rely on scaring way non-Olympic traffic. -- Roland Perry |
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:41:31 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: Presumably the latter, and I expect we'll see a lot more of this over the coming months. The plans, which involve considerable congestion at various points, also rely on scaring way non-Olympic traffic. Despite what the arrogant buffoons in Locog think most people arn't going to take 2 weeks off during the olympics nor are they going to work from home or cycle or walk to work instead of using the tube. So we're going to have complete chaos on PT and on the roads thanks to the priority lanes. I can't wait. B2003 |
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:54:00 +0100
Jim Chisholm wrote: Actually many people take two weeks off at that time of the year. Rail traffic drops so much on some lines that they remove some peak hour restrictions. It is called holidays... So the whole of london is going to go away on holiday in the same 2 weeks as the Olympics? Someone better tell the airports and ferry ports or there'll be chaos! Meanwhile back in the real world , unless you're a teacher then you don't get the option of having the whole of the summer off and most people don't take 2 week holidays anymore anyway. 1 week is the norm these days. B2003 |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:40:44 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote: So the whole of london is going to go away on holiday in the same 2 weeks as the Olympics? Someone better tell the airports and ferry ports or there'll be chaos! Apparently a significant percentage of the population are leaving the country during the Olympics so I suspect the airports and ferry ports already know. According to who? And what is a "significant percentage"? Unless its more than about 20% which I highly doubt then it'll make sod all difference. B2003 |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:46:56 +0100
Phil Cook wrote: So the whole of london is going to go away on holiday in the same 2 weeks as the Olympics? Someone better tell the airports and ferry ports or there'll be chaos! It's OK the outgoings will be balanced by incoming. And last time I looked the Olympics lasted nearer three weeks. Is it 3? Shows how much interest I have in it. 12 billion quid so a bunch of egos can run around in circles and chuck sticks and balls around for a few weeks. A brilliant use of taxpayers money. If its so amazing why isn't it self financing like almost all other large scale sporting events? Meanwhile back in the real world , unless you're a teacher then you don't get the option of having the whole of the summer off and most people don't take 2 week holidays anymore anyway. 1 week is the norm these days. Really? Perhaps in your strange world but folk with children will have Not all "folk" (are you american?) have children and given the recession many of the ones who do will be struggling to pay the bills, never mind being able to afford to go away on a 2 week break at the most expensive time of the year. to take some time off during the summer to fit in with the school holidays and if you are going any distance it is best to take at least two weeks off otherwise the travelling time takes a disproportionate amount out of your holiday. Sure , if you're going to the far east or australia. You think they'll be the top destinations then? B2003 |
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Really? Perhaps in your strange world but folk with children will have to
take some time off during the summer to fit in with the school holidays You're kidding? On this side of the pond parents can and do take the kids on holiday anytime they want. -- Cheers. Roger Traviss Photos of the late HO scale GER: - http://www.greateasternrailway.com For more photos not in the above album and kitbashes etc..:- http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l9...Great_Eastern/ |
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Not all "folk" (are you american?) have children and given the
recession many of the ones who do will be struggling to pay the bills, never mind being able to afford to go away on a 2 week break at the most expensive time of the year. I know evidence tends to spoil a good Usenet argument but FWIW http://www.moneysupermarket.com/c/pr...-2012/0012997/ reported that in 2011 the same proporiton of people took breaks of 4-7 and 8-14 days; and that the proportions were forecast to tilt towards longer breaks in 2012. Would you please share your evidence that 1 week is the "norm"? -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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Not all "folk" (are you american?) have children and given the
recession many of the ones who do will be struggling to pay the bills, never mind being able to afford to go away on a 2 week break at the most expensive time of the year. I know evidence tends to spoil a good Usenet argument but FWIW http://www.moneysupermarket.com/c/pr...-2012/0012997/ reported that in 2011 the same proporiton of people took breaks of 4-7 and 8-14 days; and that the proportions were forecast to tilt towards longer breaks in 2012. Would you please share your evidence that 1 week is the "norm"? Sorry - I misread the PR. The actual figures were 42% 4-7 nights and 36% 8-14 in 2011 with a forecast of 36% and 41% for 2012. -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:24:45 +0100
"Robin" wrote: Not all "folk" (are you american?) have children and given the recession many of the ones who do will be struggling to pay the bills, never mind being able to afford to go away on a 2 week break at the most expensive time of the year. I know evidence tends to spoil a good Usenet argument but FWIW http://www.moneysupermarket.com/c/pr...ravel-in-2012/ 012997/ Sorry , but some dodgy survey by an online travel agent who have a vested interest in selling longer holidays counts for nothing. Would you please share your evidence that 1 week is the "norm"? The fact that in the office of about 40 people I work in only 1 has taken a holiday of longer than 10 days in the last year. None of my friends or family have taken 2 weeks either and last year I didn't notice an appreciable drop in commuter traffic levels in london last summer either. So other than first hand experience I don't have any evidence. B2003 |
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The fact that in the office of about 40 people I work in only 1 has
taken a holiday of longer than 10 days in the last year. None of my friends or family have taken 2 weeks either and last year I didn't notice an appreciable drop in commuter traffic levels in london last summer either. So other than first hand experience I don't have any evidence. No risk of sampling bias then? And no contradiction between your conclusion and the ONS who reported in "Travel Trends 2010" the average over all overseas holiday trips in 2010 was 10 nights? -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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In message , at 03:23:40
on Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Roger Traviss remarked: Really? Perhaps in your strange world but folk with children will have to take some time off during the summer to fit in with the school holidays You're kidding? On this side of the pond parents can and do take the kids on holiday anytime they want. Which side of the pond are you? In the UK it's almost impossible to get permission to take kids out of school during term-time for a holiday. My own school says it won't authorise term-time absence for any of the following reasons: availability of cheap holidays availability of desired accommodation poor weather experienced in school holiday periods overlap with the beginning or end of term .... so all that really leaves is religious festivals or unavoidable family matters (like burying a Grandmother who lives overseas). -- Roland Perry |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:03:46 +0100
"Robin" wrote: The fact that in the office of about 40 people I work in only 1 has taken a holiday of longer than 10 days in the last year. None of my friends or family have taken 2 weeks either and last year I didn't notice an appreciable drop in commuter traffic levels in london last summer either. So other than first hand experience I don't have any evidence. No risk of sampling bias then? And no contradiction between your And 5000 people out of 60 million no doubt with loaded questions to get the result they wanted isn't biased either? conclusion and the ONS who reported in "Travel Trends 2010" the average over all overseas holiday trips in 2010 was 10 nights? Did their survey have a time cutoff or was it a simple average that included students off on a 6 month backback around the world? B2003 |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:24:00 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 03:23:40 on Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Roger Traviss remarked: Really? Perhaps in your strange world but folk with children will have to take some time off during the summer to fit in with the school holidays You're kidding? On this side of the pond parents can and do take the kids on holiday anytime they want. Which side of the pond are you? In the UK it's almost impossible to get permission to take kids out of school during term-time for a holiday. Who needs permission? The 50 quid fine is less than the excess it costs in travel costs in peak months. B2003 |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:24:05 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: According to who? And what is a "significant percentage"? Unless its more than about 20% which I highly doubt then it'll make sod all difference. Reports say that 21% "want to leave" and 12% will. That's seven million people, which quite a big chunk. Which reports? And half of the people saying they want to leave will? Thats a big leap. And is that the same in every region? I'd love to think otherwise but I suspect we're in for 3 weeks of travel chaos in London over the olympics. All that and 23 billion poorer just so Tony Liar could massage his ego. B2003 |
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On Mar 30, 12:24*pm, "Robin" wrote:
Would you please share your evidence that 1 week is the "norm"? It doesn't matter that individuals won't take 3 weeks. What does matter is that some people will be on holiday (more than, say, in March or October) for each of the 3 weeks. Thus there will be a reduction in demand. Anyone who's a regular rail commuter will have realised that the trains are *noticeably* less busy in July and August because of this effect. Yet almost nobody is taking all of July *and* all of August off. Neil |
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On Mar 30, 12:24*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 03:23:40 on Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Roger Traviss remarked: Really? Perhaps in your strange world but folk with children will have to take some time off during the summer to fit in with the school holidays You're kidding? On this side of the pond parents can and do take the kids on holiday anytime they want. Which side of the pond are you? In the UK it's almost impossible to get permission to take kids out of school during term-time for a holiday. My own school says it won't authorise term-time absence for any of the following reasons: * availability of cheap holidays * availability of desired accommodation * poor weather experienced in school holiday periods * overlap with the beginning or end of term ... so all that really leaves is religious festivals or unavoidable family matters (like burying a Grandmother who lives overseas). -- Roland Perry When I was in primary school, it was permitted at any time, indeed, we normally went on holiday in September, just after the new school year started. When I went up to secondary school, this was no longer permitted. When I started work I got two weeks (10 days), which increased to 12 days after, I think, the first two years, and then to 15 days. It's now got ridiculous; for the last few years I've got 37 days, but this includes five days carry over of unused leave from the previous year. From this year carry over will no longer be permitted, so next year I will get 32 days. At the end of last year I had 22 days unused, and the previous year 21 days; it's just about impossible to take all of the leave; there's too much work to do. There are certain times of year when no leave, other than compassionate, is allowed to be taken, and leave at other times has to be approved, and will only be granted if it does not conflict with the needs of the organisation; this mainly means how many other people from te same department will be out at the same time for various reasons; I suspect that this would apply to most organisations. Recently, I've tended to take two blocks of about five nights each in Yorkshire, though two days of each would be weekend, plus a handful of odd days. This year I'm taking a week and a half off next month, but will probably not be going away in October this year. Holidays in exotic places seem to be popular again, one of us went to Vietnam this year, and two weeks seems to be typical; I don't know many people who only get away for one week, and this has been the case for many years. I don't think many of us take our full entitlement. When overtime stopped being paid we were allowed to claim TOIL instead for essential work out of hours, but since we've already gort more leave than we can possibly take, we generally don't. |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:56:01 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 12:30:26 on Fri, 30 Mar 2012, d remarked: According to who? And what is a "significant percentage"? Unless its more than about 20% which I highly doubt then it'll make sod all difference. Reports say that 21% "want to leave" and 12% will. That's seven million people, which quite a big chunk. Which reports? Google is your friend. You made the assertion, you back it up. Don't expect others to do it for you. All that and 23 billion poorer Huh? The bill is in the region of 8-9 billion, not 23. Typo, meant to type 12 billion. Regardless, its a huge amount of money for a few weeks P.E. B2003 |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:57:51 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 12:26:26 on Fri, 30 Mar 2012, d remarked: Which side of the pond are you? In the UK it's almost impossible to get permission to take kids out of school during term-time for a holiday. Who needs permission? The 50 quid fine is less than the excess it costs in travel costs in peak months. It's nothing to do with fines. Parents and schools need to feel like they are on the same side, and there's a huge amount of emotional blackmail over this particular issue. The real blackmail is in the holiday companies and airlines stiffing people with exhorbitant fares during school holidays. There's no reason for them to do it , they just do it because they can. Its naked profiteering. B2003 |
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On Mar 30, 3:31*pm, wrote:
The real blackmail is in the holiday companies and airlines stiffing people with exhorbitant fares during school holidays. There's no reason for them to do it , they just do it because they can. Its naked profiteering. There is more demand for a limited commodity, ergo the price is higher. That's just market economics. The cheaper prices at other times encourages those who can (those without children, primarily) to holiday at other times. Neil |
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In message , at 13:30:29 on Fri, 30 Mar
2012, d remarked: Reports say that 21% "want to leave" and 12% will. That's seven million people, which quite a big chunk. Which reports? Google is your friend. You made the assertion, you back it up. Don't expect others to do it for you. I don't want you to "back me up". The figures I quoted are easy to find, if you can be bothered. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 13:31:32 on Fri, 30 Mar
2012, d remarked: The real blackmail is in the holiday companies and airlines stiffing people with exhorbitant fares during school holidays. There's no reason for them to do it , they just do it because they can. Its naked profiteering. They price things according to supply and demand. It's difficult to criticise that in a capitalist economy. -- Roland Perry |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:52:22 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:30:29 on Fri, 30 Mar 2012, d remarked: Reports say that 21% "want to leave" and 12% will. That's seven million people, which quite a big chunk. Which reports? Google is your friend. You made the assertion, you back it up. Don't expect others to do it for you. I don't want you to "back me up". The figures I quoted are easy to find, if you can be bothered. I can't. So I guess your insights will have to remain unappreciated. B2003 |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:53:16 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:31:32 on Fri, 30 Mar 2012, d remarked: The real blackmail is in the holiday companies and airlines stiffing people with exhorbitant fares during school holidays. There's no reason for them to do it , they just do it because they can. Its naked profiteering. They price things according to supply and demand. It's difficult to criticise that in a capitalist economy. Except they put the prices up in the expectation of demand long before the season, not actual demand during it. B2003 |
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On Mar 30, 3:08*pm, wrote:
Except they put the prices up in the expectation of demand long before the season, not actual demand during it. And? |
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In message , at 15:32:47 on Fri, 30
Mar 2012, Graeme Wall remarked: The figures I saw were 20%, it wasn't clear whether that was absolute or another 20% over and above those who would normally go abroad at that time. ABTA's report said: "Escaping the crowds Clearly we are not all sports lovers, 12% of Brits say they are intending to go abroad specifically to avoid the Games and 9% are looking to go on holiday somewhere in the UK free from Olympics fever. The older generation appears to be the least keen on staying in the UK; with 22% of the over 65s intending to head overseas to avoid the Games and 18% of 55-64 year olds. Londoners most likely to change plans Perhaps unsurprisingly, over a quarter (28%) of Londoners are considering changing their holiday plans due to the Olympics. Nearly 50% say they will take time off throughout the games and 77% say they will be staying in the Capital during the two weeks. -- Roland Perry |
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On 30/03/2012 17:16, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:32:47 on Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Graeme Wall remarked: The figures I saw were 20%, it wasn't clear whether that was absolute or another 20% over and above those who would normally go abroad at that time. ABTA's report said: "Escaping the crowds Clearly we are not all sports lovers, 12% of Brits say they are intending to go abroad specifically to avoid the Games and 9% are looking to go on holiday somewhere in the UK free from Olympics fever. The older generation appears to be the least keen on staying in the UK; with 22% of the over 65s intending to head overseas to avoid the Games and 18% of 55-64 year olds. Londoners most likely to change plans Perhaps unsurprisingly, over a quarter (28%) of Londoners are considering changing their holiday plans due to the Olympics. Nearly 50% say they will take time off throughout the games and 77% say they will be staying in the Capital during the two weeks. Do such figures have any credibility whatsoever? I intend to be taking my private jet to my own tropical island, but I'm having some slight problems with an intermediate stage in this plan. And even so, "9% are looking to go on holiday somewhere in the UK free from Olympics fever." That somewhere could include London, which wouldn't really help the transport situation... -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On 30/03/2012 12:03, Robin wrote:
The fact that in the office of about 40 people I work in only 1 has taken a holiday of longer than 10 days in the last year. None of my friends or family have taken 2 weeks either and last year I didn't notice an appreciable drop in commuter traffic levels in london last summer either. So other than first hand experience I don't have any evidence. No risk of sampling bias then? And no contradiction between your conclusion and the ONS who reported in "Travel Trends 2010" the average over all overseas holiday trips in 2010 was 10 nights? Could it be that short trips are increasingly popular (being in real terms more affordable and practical than in the past), but people don't count shorter trips as "holiday"? If someone happened to ask where I went on holiday last year I might well say I had fortnight trip to Russia. But I also had a long weekend in France, week+weekend Portugal, week+weekend in Germany and managed to tag a couple of days on a business trip to the USA. Admittedly I probably do more travel than typical, I don't have kids to worry about, and see Benidorm as a place to have lunch before catching a narrow gauge train rather than than somewhere to fester for a fortnight. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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