On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:58:16 -0700 (PDT), 77002
wrote:

On Apr 24, 9:45*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Guy Gorton" wrote

When I was a regular user many years ago, there were fasts to
Uxbridge, first stop from Baker Street was Rayners Lane. *Morning
fasts non-stop Rayners Lane to Baker Street. *My destination was Baker
Street but I think I remember that the fasts in both directions were
City trains.

Into the 1970s in the peaks Amersham and Chesham fasts ran non-stop from
Moor Park to Finchley Road, and there were Watfords fast from North Harrow
as well as the Uxbridges fast from Rayners Lane. All these ran to the City
(Amershams and Cheshams terminated in the long-lost bay at Liverpool
Street). There were a few Uxbridge stoppers which ran to Aldgate, but all
other stoppers terminated at Baker Street. Off-peak and weekends everything
terminated at Baker Street. Didn't they split and run as 4-cars off-peak?

Yes, I recall the short trains. The four car units had cabs at both
ends. The three car units had a cab at one end. Daytime services
were four car only.

All the A stock trains were either 4 or 8-car (no 3-car units). I seem
to recall that the 4-car double-ended unit trains ran mainly at
weekends (in the 1970s, I lived in a flat that had a distant view of
the Met line).

In message , at 13:13:46 on
Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Recliner remarked:
All the A stock trains were either 4 or 8-car (no 3-car units). I seem
to recall that the 4-car double-ended unit trains ran mainly at
weekends (in the 1970s, I lived in a flat that had a distant view of
the Met line).

I used A-stock to get to London and back (often outside normal commuting
hours) in the 90's, and don't recall ever seeing a short unit.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:47:46 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:13:46 on
Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Recliner remarked:
All the A stock trains were either 4 or 8-car (no 3-car units). I seem
to recall that the 4-car double-ended unit trains ran mainly at
weekends (in the 1970s, I lived in a flat that had a distant view of
the Met line).

I used A-stock to get to London and back (often outside normal commuting
hours) in the 90's, and don't recall ever seeing a short unit.

I think 4-car usage stopped by then on the mainline (ie, excluding the
Chesham shuttle and ELL). Uncoupling went out of fashion on LU by the
1980s.

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:47:46 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:13:46 on
Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Recliner remarked:
All the A stock trains were either 4 or 8-car (no 3-car units). I seem
to recall that the 4-car double-ended unit trains ran mainly at
weekends (in the 1970s, I lived in a flat that had a distant view of
the Met line).

I used A-stock to get to London and back (often outside normal commuting
hours) in the 90's, and don't recall ever seeing a short unit.

I think 4-car usage stopped by then on the mainline (ie, excluding the
Chesham shuttle and ELL). Uncoupling went out of fashion on LU by the
1980s.

Nevertheless, when the A stock was refurbished, most had only one cab
modernised with the other becoming disused. Some double-ended units, with
both cabs remaining usable, were created in similar fashion to the D stock
which is a mix, mainly of three car units with one cab at one end but with a
few units with driving cars at both ends.

While some of the double cab A stock units were used on the Chesham shuttle
and East London Line services, most were run as part of 8-car trains on the
Met main line. I saw one last time I was at King's Cross last week. I don't
think the double-cab D stock units have ever been run on their own in
passenger service.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:47:46 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:13:46 on
Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Recliner remarked:
All the A stock trains were either 4 or 8-car (no 3-car units). I seem
to recall that the 4-car double-ended unit trains ran mainly at
weekends (in the 1970s, I lived in a flat that had a distant view of
the Met line).

I used A-stock to get to London and back (often outside normal commuting
hours) in the 90's, and don't recall ever seeing a short unit.

I think 4-car usage stopped by then on the mainline (ie, excluding the
Chesham shuttle and ELL). Uncoupling went out of fashion on LU by the
1980s.

Nevertheless, when the A stock was refurbished, most had only one cab
modernised with the other becoming disused. Some double-ended units, with
both cabs remaining usable, were created in similar fashion to the D stock
which is a mix, mainly of three car units with one cab at one end but with a
few units with driving cars at both ends.

While some of the double cab A stock units were used on the Chesham shuttle
and East London Line services, most were run as part of 8-car trains on the
Met main line. I saw one last time I was at King's Cross last week. I don't
think the double-cab D stock units have ever been run on their own in
passenger service.

Not even when D stock looked after the ELL?

Lew.

In article
,
lid () wrote:

wrote:
In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:47:46 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:13:46
on Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Recliner remarked:
All the A stock trains were either 4 or 8-car (no 3-car units). I
seem to recall that the 4-car double-ended unit trains ran mainly at
weekends (in the 1970s, I lived in a flat that had a distant view of
the Met line).

I used A-stock to get to London and back (often outside normal
commuting hours) in the 90's, and don't recall ever seeing a short
unit.

I think 4-car usage stopped by then on the mainline (ie, excluding the
Chesham shuttle and ELL). Uncoupling went out of fashion on LU by the
1980s.

Nevertheless, when the A stock was refurbished, most had only one
cab modernised with the other becoming disused. Some double-ended
units, with both cabs remaining usable, were created in similar
fashion to the D stock which is a mix, mainly of three car units
with one cab at one end but with a few units with driving cars at
both ends.

While some of the double cab A stock units were used on the Chesham
shuttle and East London Line services, most were run as part of
8-car trains on the Met main line. I saw one last time I was at
King's Cross last week. I don't think the double-cab D stock units
have ever been run on their own in passenger service.

Not even when D stock looked after the ELL?

I don't remember that. When and for how long was D stock used there?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article
,
lid () wrote:

wrote:
In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:47:46 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:13:46
on Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Recliner remarked:
All the A stock trains were either 4 or 8-car (no 3-car units). I
seem to recall that the 4-car double-ended unit trains ran mainly at
weekends (in the 1970s, I lived in a flat that had a distant view of
the Met line).

I used A-stock to get to London and back (often outside normal
commuting hours) in the 90's, and don't recall ever seeing a short
unit.

I think 4-car usage stopped by then on the mainline (ie, excluding the
Chesham shuttle and ELL). Uncoupling went out of fashion on LU by the
1980s.

Nevertheless, when the A stock was refurbished, most had only one
cab modernised with the other becoming disused. Some double-ended
units, with both cabs remaining usable, were created in similar
fashion to the D stock which is a mix, mainly of three car units
with one cab at one end but with a few units with driving cars at
both ends.

While some of the double cab A stock units were used on the Chesham
shuttle and East London Line services, most were run as part of
8-car trains on the Met main line. I saw one last time I was at
King's Cross last week. I don't think the double-cab D stock units
have ever been run on their own in passenger service.

Not even when D stock looked after the ELL?

I don't remember that. When and for how long was D stock used there?

From Tuneprunes D stock page:

Some were used as 3-car trains on the East London Line between April 1985
and May 1987.

Lew.

On Apr 24, 1:47*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:13:46 on
Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Recliner remarked:

All the A stock trains were either 4 or 8-car (no 3-car units). I seem
to recall that the 4-car double-ended unit trains ran mainly at
weekends (in the 1970s, I lived in a flat that had a distant view of
the Met line).

I used A-stock to get to London and back (often outside normal commuting
hours) in the 90's, and don't recall ever seeing a short unit.

My recollections are from the 1970s Roland.

On 24/04/2012 14:05, 77002 wrote:
On Apr 24, 1:47 pm, Roland wrote:
In , at 13:13:46 on
Tue, 24 Apr 2012, remarked:

All the A stock trains were either 4 or 8-car (no 3-car units). I seem
to recall that the 4-car double-ended unit trains ran mainly at
weekends (in the 1970s, I lived in a flat that had a distant view of
the Met line).

I used A-stock to get to London and back (often outside normal commuting
hours) in the 90's, and don't recall ever seeing a short unit.

My recollections are from the 1970s Roland.

I used to see them at Amersham on my way to school when they were first
introduced. I don't recall any short sets but I only saw them weekdays.

--
Graeme Wall
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Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail