When buying rail tickets on line via whatever websites, is it possible to
specify 'Boundary Zone 6' as your start-point? I've never thought it
possible as I've never seen that as an option. Or does one just specify a
station in zone 6 to start from?

TIA,

Ian

On 13/07/2012 16:43, Ian F. wrote:
When buying rail tickets on line via whatever websites, is it possible
to specify 'Boundary Zone 6' as your start-point? I've never thought it
possible as I've never seen that as an option. Or does one just specify
a station in zone 6 to start from?

'Boundary Zone' tickets aren't available from any of the rail ticket
sales sites.

In message , at 16:43:52 on Fri, 13 Jul
2012, Ian F. remarked:
When buying rail tickets on line via whatever websites, is it possible
to specify 'Boundary Zone 6' as your start-point? I've never thought it
possible as I've never seen that as an option. Or does one just specify
a station in zone 6 to start from?

The code is 0072, but I can't find any ticket selling sites which accept
it. That's probably because they are first and foremost Journey
Planners, that as a second order effect tell you the fares; and BZ6
isn't in the *timetable*.

http://www.perry.co.uk/avantix_for_dummies.html

http://www.brfares.com will tell you what the fare is, though...
--
Roland Perry

"Ian F." wrote in message
...
When buying rail tickets on line via whatever websites, is it possible to
specify 'Boundary Zone 6' as your start-point? I've never thought it
possible as I've never seen that as an option. Or does one just specify a
station in zone 6 to start from?

I think the logic is that it is not a BZ to/from wherever 'ticket'. It is a
BZ 'extension fare' used in conjunction with a ticket that you already have
in your possession.

An online site cannot determine if you already hold a suitable ticket to be
extended...

Paul S

In message , at 17:41:56 on
Fri, 13 Jul 2012, Paul Scott remarked:
When buying rail tickets on line via whatever websites, is it possible to
specify 'Boundary Zone 6' as your start-point? I've never thought it
possible as I've never seen that as an option. Or does one just specify a
station in zone 6 to start from?

I think the logic is that it is not a BZ to/from wherever 'ticket'. It is a
BZ 'extension fare' used in conjunction with a ticket that you already
have in your possession.

An online site cannot determine if you already hold a suitable ticket to be
extended...

Why does that matter? They don't have the same problem selling any other
kind of half-a-split-ticket (or are they institutionally in denial that
split tickets are valid).
--
Roland Perry

In article , says...

In message , at 17:41:56 on
Fri, 13 Jul 2012, Paul Scott remarked:
When buying rail tickets on line via whatever websites, is it possible to
specify 'Boundary Zone 6' as your start-point? I've never thought it
possible as I've never seen that as an option. Or does one just specify a
station in zone 6 to start from?

I think the logic is that it is not a BZ to/from wherever 'ticket'. It is a
BZ 'extension fare' used in conjunction with a ticket that you already
have in your possession.

An online site cannot determine if you already hold a suitable ticket to be
extended...

Why does that matter? They don't have the same problem selling any other
kind of half-a-split-ticket (or are they institutionally in denial that
split tickets are valid).

I have always bought online tickets from websites using the last station
in Z6 according to my journey, assuming the TOC allows it.

Never had a problem with Harold Wood, Elstree & Borehamwood, or
Upminster and fares have tallied with the Boundary Zone 6 fares.

In message , at 18:11:38
on Fri, 13 Jul 2012, Jim
remarked:
When buying rail tickets on line via whatever websites, is it possible to
specify 'Boundary Zone 6' as your start-point? I've never thought it
possible as I've never seen that as an option. Or does one just specify a
station in zone 6 to start from?

I think the logic is that it is not a BZ to/from wherever 'ticket'. It is a
BZ 'extension fare' used in conjunction with a ticket that you already
have in your possession.

An online site cannot determine if you already hold a suitable ticket to be
extended...

Why does that matter? They don't have the same problem selling any other
kind of half-a-split-ticket (or are they institutionally in denial that
split tickets are valid).

I have always bought online tickets from websites using the last station
in Z6 according to my journey, assuming the TOC allows it.

Never had a problem with Harold Wood, Elstree & Borehamwood, or
Upminster and fares have tallied with the Boundary Zone 6 fares.

If you can get a ticket from the last-station-in-Z6 that's as good as a
BZ6 ticket (if the train stops there). But might be more expensive.

For example a BZ6-Hinchley Wood is £2.50, which is the same as from
Surbiton. But I'm not sure that's always been the case.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 18:11:38
on Fri, 13 Jul 2012, Jim
remarked:
When buying rail tickets on line via whatever websites, is it
possible to specify 'Boundary Zone 6' as your start-point? I've
never thought it possible as I've never seen that as an option. Or
does one just specify a station in zone 6 to start from?

I think the logic is that it is not a BZ to/from wherever 'ticket'.
It is a BZ 'extension fare' used in conjunction with a ticket that you
already have in your possession.

An online site cannot determine if you already hold a suitable ticket
to be extended...

Why does that matter? They don't have the same problem selling any
other kind of half-a-split-ticket (or are they institutionally in
denial that split tickets are valid).

I have always bought online tickets from websites using the last station
in Z6 according to my journey, assuming the TOC allows it.

Never had a problem with Harold Wood, Elstree & Borehamwood, or
Upminster and fares have tallied with the Boundary Zone 6 fares.

If you can get a ticket from the last-station-in-Z6 that's as good as a
BZ6 ticket (if the train stops there). But might be more expensive.

For example a BZ6-Hinchley Wood is £2.50, which is the same as from
Surbiton. But I'm not sure that's always been the case.


Note that the BZ6 ticket can cost more than the one from the last staion
in zone 6. I suppose because it is valid on trains that do not stop
there.

e.g. Ewell East to Epsom cheap day return is £2.70 and BZ6-Epsom is 2.80


--
Mark

In message , Roland Perry
wrote:
I think the logic is that it is not a BZ to/from wherever 'ticket'. It is a
BZ 'extension fare' used in conjunction with a ticket that you already
have in your possession.

An online site cannot determine if you already hold a suitable ticket to be
extended...

Why does that matter? They don't have the same problem selling any
other kind of half-a-split-ticket (or are they institutionally in
denial that split tickets are valid).

I'm not sure what you mean by half-a-split-ticket. If you mean buying an
A-B and a B-C ticket when travelling A-C, then that's completely
different.

A BZ coupon is *not* a rail ticket. It is evidence that you have paid
the additional fare to turn your zones N-6 ticket into a "N-6 plus one
journey to X" ticket. It's therefore more like a reservation or an
upgrade to first class or from Saver to Open or a route excess [1] -
it's not valid on its own, only with another ticket.

[1] If there are two routes from A to B with different fares, and you
have a return from A to B at the cheaper fare, you can buy a route
excess to allow you to do the B to A leg on the more expensive route.
The cost should be half the difference in fares. You should be issued a
separate coupon for this. Said coupon has no validity on its own.

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In message , at 23:02:23 on Sat, 14
Jul 2012, Clive D. W. Feather remarked:
In message , Roland Perry
wrote:
I think the logic is that it is not a BZ to/from wherever 'ticket'. It is a
BZ 'extension fare' used in conjunction with a ticket that you
already have in your possession.

An online site cannot determine if you already hold a suitable ticket to be
extended...

Why does that matter? They don't have the same problem selling any
other kind of half-a-split-ticket (or are they institutionally in
denial that split tickets are valid).

I'm not sure what you mean by half-a-split-ticket.

I mean buying one half of a split ticket. For example if you already
have a season ticket to Huntingdon and buy a day single from there to
Peterborough (intending to use it on a train that doesn't stop at
Huntingdon). The online site doesn't ask if you really do have the
season ticket.

A BZ coupon is *not* a rail ticket.

Quack, waddle, bit of card with orange stripes. But yes, most "normals"
call every coupon a "ticket", even if we know that to the railways a
ticket is the combination of coupons.

It is evidence that you have paid the additional fare to turn your
zones N-6 ticket into a "N-6 plus one journey to X" ticket. It's
therefore more like a reservation or an upgrade to first class or from
Saver to Open or a route excess [1] - it's not valid on its own, only
with another ticket.

Does it have, like an excess coupon does, "Only valid with ticket nnnnn"
printed across the top? That itself might be a better stab at a reason
not to sell them online.

[1] If there are two routes from A to B with different fares, and you
have a return from A to B at the cheaper fare, you can buy a route
excess to allow you to do the B to A leg on the more expensive route.
The cost should be half the difference in fares. You should be issued a
separate coupon for this. Said coupon has no validity on its own.

Yes, I had to get one of those the other week, coming back from Stansted
and XC was stuck in a flood near Birmingham, so cancelled my train
[haven't got the delay repay through yet] so I had to change my route
back to Nottingham.

[Was Stansted-Melton-lift, changed to
Stansted-Stortford-Ely-Nottingham-bus, although the part of the
diversion via Stortford was free].
--
Roland Perry