On 2012-08-21 15:05:37 +0000, Paul Scott said:

8 tph max end to end in the peaks (on the NLL) is actually an
improvement over the original proposed timetable - which would only
have had 6 tph west of Camden Rd, with 2 tph from Stratford terminating
there.

Likewise the ELL service has never been described as anything higher
than 'up to' 18 tph in the peak on the core section, and 8 tph between
Highbury and Dalston Jn.

Any idea why the NLL frequency is much lower than the ELL? The ELL is a
very handy service in my view - I rarely have to wait as long as 5 mins
at Dalston J. But I used the NLL yesterday morning at about 10.30 am
and it had a 10 minute service interval, and the trains are more
crowded anyway.

E.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:30:47 +0100
eastender wrote:
Any idea why the NLL frequency is much lower than the ELL? The ELL is a
very handy service in my view - I rarely have to wait as long as 5 mins
at Dalston J. But I used the NLL yesterday morning at about 10.30 am
and it had a 10 minute service interval, and the trains are more
crowded anyway.

Its probably like most service industries in britain - they don't strive to
run a good service, they run a service just above the level at which there
would be mass complaints. Its why you go into a supermarket and see long
till queues and 10 tills closed for no good reason (lack of staff? I doubt
that) or you go into a post office or bank and 1 in every 3 counters is
closed. Why install all those counters in the first place? Who knows. Its
the same with the railways - they could run a decent service but its easier
and more profitable to run an average to poor one and collect the same revenue.

B2003

On 2012\08\21 16:30, eastender wrote:

Any idea why the NLL frequency is much lower than the ELL?

Because the NLL tracks are shared with freight trains.

In article 2012082116304797115-nospam@nospamcom,
(eastender) wrote:

On 2012-08-21 15:05:37 +0000, Paul Scott said:

8 tph max end to end in the peaks (on the NLL) is actually an
improvement over the original proposed timetable - which would only
have had 6 tph west of Camden Rd, with 2 tph from Stratford
terminating there.

Likewise the ELL service has never been described as anything
higher than 'up to' 18 tph in the peak on the core section, and 8
tph between Highbury and Dalston Jn.

Any idea why the NLL frequency is much lower than the ELL? The ELL is
a very handy service in my view - I rarely have to wait as long as 5
mins at Dalston J. But I used the NLL yesterday morning at about
10.30 am and it had a 10 minute service interval, and the trains are
more crowded anyway.

The NLL is also a busy freight route. Ken had to fight hard to get the
present frequencies.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:38:09 -0500
wrote:
In article 2012082116304797115-nospam@nospamcom,
(eastender) wrote:

On 2012-08-21 15:05:37 +0000, Paul Scott said:

8 tph max end to end in the peaks (on the NLL) is actually an
improvement over the original proposed timetable - which would only
have had 6 tph west of Camden Rd, with 2 tph from Stratford
terminating there.

Likewise the ELL service has never been described as anything
higher than 'up to' 18 tph in the peak on the core section, and 8
tph between Highbury and Dalston Jn.

Any idea why the NLL frequency is much lower than the ELL? The ELL is
a very handy service in my view - I rarely have to wait as long as 5
mins at Dalston J. But I used the NLL yesterday morning at about
10.30 am and it had a 10 minute service interval, and the trains are
more crowded anyway.

The NLL is also a busy freight route. Ken had to fight hard to get the
present frequencies.

This freight business always gets mentioned but in that case can someone
explain why you can stand at an NLL station for ages and absolutely nothing
goes past? Where are all these freight trains , are they stopped somewhere
blocking the line?

B2003

A good point. I have had the same experience dozens of times,
although once or twice two freight trains have passed while I've
been waiting for my train.

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:50:34 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:


This freight business always gets mentioned but in that case can someone
explain why you can stand at an NLL station for ages and absolutely nothing
goes past? Where are all these freight trains , are they stopped somewhere
blocking the line?


It depends on the time of day. There are no freight paths during the
Monday to Friday peak hours but there could be 12 freight trains
passing through Stratford between 1030 and 1530.

--
John Ray

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 08:50:34AM +0000, d wrote:

This freight business always gets mentioned but in that case can someone
explain why you can stand at an NLL station for ages and absolutely nothing
goes past? Where are all these freight trains , are they stopped somewhere
blocking the line?

They have paths allocated but only use them if there's freight to carry.
Whether the path will be used is not known until shortly beforehand.

It would be a logistical nightmare to run passenger trains in those
paths at short notice if the paths are available. You couldn't predict
in advance where all your trains were, so couldn't schedule them for
maintenance so efficiently. And it would also annoy passengers to have
trains that run seemingly at random.

--
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