On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:06:30 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Every effect has a cause, it doesn't mean that cause is someones fault.

Accidents don't just happen.

Yes, they do. Thats why we have the word "accident". You're delusional.

B2003

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:06:28 +0100
Clive wrote:
Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.
Correct, remember that I'm quoting from the back of K2 Speed Notices, (I
presume they still exist but most likely under a different name) which
were issued to footplate staff weekly, in the 60s and 70s, not the
public at large and long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.

So if heavy rain causes an embankment to collapse onto the track just as
a train is coming around the corner which then derails then who is to blame?

Always finding someone to blame is a childs way of looking at the world, not
an adults.

B2003

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:13:35 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:06:30 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, Phil Cook remarked:
Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Accidents don't just happen.

And obviously, for a driver to fail to neutralise all those risks, makes
him stupid. It would take Boltar only a few minutes of his valuable
time.

Go on, explain how you'd do it. Are you going to inspect your tyres yourself
with an x-ray scanner? Perhaps you'll never drive when its windy so there's
no chance of say a tree branch blowing down on your car. And if you can see
a pothole on an A road doing 60 at night with enough time to swerve and not
crash then you've got better eyesight than I have.

B2003

Boltar wrote
long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.

So if heavy rain causes an embankment to collapse onto the track just as
a train is coming around the corner which then derails then who is to
blame?

See, for example
http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources...f_Cruachan.pdf

In the general case, Network Rail didn't inspect the embankment or maintain
the drainage properly. There are cases where the cause was down to an
adjoining landowner, and there have been recommendations that planning rules
should be changed so that Network Rail is notified (and can object to)
engineering operations near the railway which might affect drainage.

Peter

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:30:57 +0100
"Peter Masson" wrote:
Boltar wrote
long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.

So if heavy rain causes an embankment to collapse onto the track just as
a train is coming around the corner which then derails then who is to
blame?

See, for example
http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources...ls_of_Cruachan
pdf

In the general case, Network Rail didn't inspect the embankment or maintain
the drainage properly. There are cases where the cause was down to an

Looks to me like we've got to blame someone so make it the obvious target so
we can get some compensation.

It amazes me that those in the legal profession who are so sure that someone or
thing is always to blame and ergo by inference than something could have been
done to prevent it, don't put themselvesself forward as the people who can
prevent all these non-accidents happening. After all, if they're forseeable
as is claimed then surely being the geniuses they like to think they are,
they'd be able to forsee them and prevent them and earn a fortune in the
process?

B2003

On 05/10/2012 14:19, d wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:06:28 +0100
Clive wrote:
Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.
Correct, remember that I'm quoting from the back of K2 Speed Notices, (I
presume they still exist but most likely under a different name) which
were issued to footplate staff weekly, in the 60s and 70s, not the
public at large and long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.

So if heavy rain causes an embankment to collapse onto the track just as
a train is coming around the corner which then derails then who is to blame?

Always finding someone to blame is a childs way of looking at the world, not
an adults.

Wanting to find a reason for an accident is a result of an inquiring
mind and a desire to prevent further occurrences, it's not about
apportioning blame and suing somebody's arse off. "It just happened" is
the position of a fatalist who just accepts whatever happens.
--
Phil Cook

In message , d
writes
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:06:28 +0100
Clive wrote:
Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.
Correct, remember that I'm quoting from the back of K2 Speed Notices, (I
presume they still exist but most likely under a different name) which
were issued to footplate staff weekly, in the 60s and 70s, not the
public at large and long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.
So if heavy rain causes an embankment to collapse onto the track just as
a train is coming around the corner which then derails then who is to blame?
Always finding someone to blame is a childs way of looking at the world, not
an adults.
You've either not read, or more likely, not understood my quote. No
one mentioned blame and in the case you sight of a landslip, there was a
cause, even if it was only heavy rain.
--
Clive

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:58:37 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Wanting to find a reason for an accident is a result of an inquiring
mind and a desire to prevent further occurrences, it's not about
apportioning blame and suing somebody's arse off. "It just happened" is
the position of a fatalist who just accepts whatever happens.

And the person who thinks there's always some sort of hidden human cause
behind everything is usually known as a conspiracy theories at best but
generally just a delusional nutter.

Perhaps you should invest in a tin foil hat?

Just out of interest - who's fault was the 2004 tsunami?

B2003

In message , at 14:05:45 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, d remarked:

Just out of interest - who's fault was the 2004 tsunami?

Tsunamis aren't anyone's fault, but failing to have an adequate warning
system, or coastal properties built to withstand the inevitable, is.
--
Roland Perry

In message , d
writes
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:58:37 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Wanting to find a reason for an accident is a result of an inquiring
mind and a desire to prevent further occurrences, it's not about
apportioning blame and suing somebody's arse off. "It just happened" is
the position of a fatalist who just accepts whatever happens.
And the person who thinks there's always some sort of hidden human cause
behind everything is usually known as a conspiracy theories at best but
generally just a delusional nutter.
Perhaps you should invest in a tin foil hat?
Just out of interest - who's fault was the 2004 tsunami?
I started this branch of the thread with a quote, I don't remember
mentioning the word 'human' at all. Where did you dream it up from?
--
Clive