On Oct 23, 6:17*pm, "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

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Rail Replacement Bus Service In Glasgow

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2012/10/18/rail-replacement-bus-service-in-g....

Lucky them. This afternoon's Chesham passengers were thrown off their
Chesham service at Rickmansworth and told to take a train to Amersham and
then WALK to Chesham.

The matching morning service to London was held at Harrow-on-the-Hill whilst
the driver yelled at the jam-packed cattle to stop pressing up against the
doors. *As if they were doing so on purpose!

Tfl - the pits

It really IS time to hand the fast pair over to NR/Chiltern and cut
TfL back to Moor Park and Watford.

"77002" wrote in message
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On Oct 23, 6:17 pm, "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

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Rail Replacement Bus Service In Glasgow

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2012/10/18/rail-replacement-bus-service-in-g...

Lucky them. This afternoon's Chesham passengers were thrown off their
Chesham service at Rickmansworth and told to take a train to Amersham and
then WALK to Chesham.

The matching morning service to London was held at Harrow-on-the-Hill
whilst
the driver yelled at the jam-packed cattle to stop pressing up against the
doors. As if they were doing so on purpose!

Tfl - the pits

It really IS time to hand the fast pair over to NR/Chiltern and cut
TfL back to Moor Park and Watford.

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I beg to differ. There's a lot of traffic from north of Moor Park and a lot
of that doesn't want to go to Marylebone. Southbound peak services are
loaded to crush point by Rickmansworth - and handing over to NR/Chiltern
won't solve that.

As for the "fast pair", the current Metropolitan services are now all on the
slow pair, except for a few peak services.

The journey yesterday was crappy enough, but last time they took up your
suggestion and routed our Amersham train round towards Watford. Again, it
was "all off, then bugger off" - although that time, they relented and
rolled the train back around the triangle and on to Amersham - eventually.

PA

On Oct 24, 12:14*pm, "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote:
"77002" wrote in message

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On Oct 23, 6:17 pm, "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote:



"Bruce" wrote in message

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Rail Replacement Bus Service In Glasgow

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2012/10/18/rail-replacement-bus-service-in-g...

Lucky them. This afternoon's Chesham passengers were thrown off their
Chesham service at Rickmansworth and told to take a train to Amersham and
then WALK to Chesham.

The matching morning service to London was held at Harrow-on-the-Hill
whilst
the driver yelled at the jam-packed cattle to stop pressing up against the
doors. As if they were doing so on purpose!

Tfl - the pits

It really IS time to hand the fast pair over to NR/Chiltern and cut
TfL back to Moor Park and Watford.

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I beg to differ. There's a lot of traffic from north of Moor Park and a lot
of that doesn't want to go to Marylebone. *Southbound peak services are
loaded to crush point by Rickmansworth - and handing over to NR/Chiltern
won't solve that.

As for the "fast pair", the current Metropolitan services are now all on the
slow pair, except for a few peak services.

The journey yesterday was crappy enough, but last time they took up your
suggestion and routed our Amersham train round towards Watford. *Again, it
was "all off, then bugger off" - although that time, they relented and
rolled the train back around the triangle and on to Amersham - eventually..

In the medium term the route can be re-electrified at 25kV. There is
no reason Chiltern cannot run longer trains.

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 04:25:27 -0700 (PDT), 77002
wrote:

On Oct 24, 12:14*pm, "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote:
"77002" wrote in message

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On Oct 23, 6:17 pm, "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote:



"Bruce" wrote in message

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Rail Replacement Bus Service In Glasgow

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2012/10/18/rail-replacement-bus-service-in-g...

Lucky them. This afternoon's Chesham passengers were thrown off their
Chesham service at Rickmansworth and told to take a train to Amersham and
then WALK to Chesham.

The matching morning service to London was held at Harrow-on-the-Hill
whilst
the driver yelled at the jam-packed cattle to stop pressing up against the
doors. As if they were doing so on purpose!

Tfl - the pits

It really IS time to hand the fast pair over to NR/Chiltern and cut
TfL back to Moor Park and Watford.

--------------

I beg to differ. There's a lot of traffic from north of Moor Park and a lot
of that doesn't want to go to Marylebone. *Southbound peak services are
loaded to crush point by Rickmansworth - and handing over to NR/Chiltern
won't solve that.

As for the "fast pair", the current Metropolitan services are now all on the
slow pair, except for a few peak services.

The journey yesterday was crappy enough, but last time they took up your
suggestion and routed our Amersham train round towards Watford. *Again, it
was "all off, then bugger off" - although that time, they relented and
rolled the train back around the triangle and on to Amersham - eventually.

In the medium term the route can be re-electrified at 25kV. There is
no reason Chiltern cannot run longer trains.

To where? Marylebone platform capacity is very limited.

On Oct 24, 11:57*am, 77002 wrote:

It really IS time to hand the fast pair over to NR/Chiltern and cut
TfL back to Moor Park and Watford.- Hide quoted text -

To acheive what ?

--
Nick

On 24 Oct, 17:31, D7666 wrote:
On Oct 24, 11:57*am, 77002 wrote:

It really IS time to hand the fast pair over to NR/Chiltern and cut
TfL back to Moor Park and Watford.- Hide quoted text -

To acheive what ?

Quality of management, and rolling stock, appropriate for the service.

"e27002" wrote in message
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On 24 Oct, 17:31, D7666 wrote:
On Oct 24, 11:57 am, 77002 wrote:

It really IS time to hand the fast pair over to NR/Chiltern and cut
TfL back to Moor Park and Watford.- Hide quoted text -

To acheive what ?

\\\Quality of management, and rolling stock, appropriate for the service.

Crikey, what are you on?

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:31:37 -0700 (PDT), D7666
wrote:

On Oct 24, 11:57*am, 77002 wrote:

It really IS time to hand the fast pair over to NR/Chiltern and cut
TfL back to Moor Park and Watford.- Hide quoted text -

To acheive what ?

Vary it to future upgrading in the form of 25kV from Marylebone to
Aylesbury with DC left until further notice between Harrow and
Amersham. This leaves roughly the same track availability as at
present with the opportunity for future (whole/part) conversion of the
Met to 25kV when the DC equipment is beyond saving, possible use of
joint stock (i.e. including existing stock with new transformer
coaches and new sets re-using displaced coaches from old sets). With
the Met being diverted to Watford Junction and thoughts about
extensions north of Aylesbury it would reduce the electrical
incompatibility that LU has with surrounding systems.

"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:31:37 -0700 (PDT), D7666
wrote:

On Oct 24, 11:57 am, 77002 wrote:

It really IS time to hand the fast pair over to NR/Chiltern and cut
TfL back to Moor Park and Watford.- Hide quoted text -

To acheive what ?

Vary it to future upgrading in the form of 25kV from Marylebone to
Aylesbury with DC left until further notice between Harrow and
Amersham. This leaves roughly the same track availability as at
present with the opportunity for future (whole/part) conversion of the
Met to 25kV when the DC equipment is beyond saving, possible use of
joint stock (i.e. including existing stock with new transformer
coaches and new sets re-using displaced coaches from old sets). With
the Met being diverted to Watford Junction and thoughts about
extensions north of Aylesbury it would reduce the electrical
incompatibility that LU has with surrounding systems.

Stand on any up platform, Amersham to Moor Park inclusive, and observe how
few passengers use the Chiltern services - so upgrading Aylesbury to
Marylebone would yield no benefit to the overwhelming majority of these
thousands of passengers. Likewise with the god-forsaken idea of pushing the
Met on into Watford Junction. As for the conversion of the Met to OHLE -
this is the loose sort of thinking that spawned IEP.



The expression

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:24:24 +0100, "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote:


"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:31:37 -0700 (PDT), D7666
wrote:

On Oct 24, 11:57 am, 77002 wrote:

It really IS time to hand the fast pair over to NR/Chiltern and cut
TfL back to Moor Park and Watford.- Hide quoted text -

To acheive what ?

Vary it to future upgrading in the form of 25kV from Marylebone to
Aylesbury with DC left until further notice between Harrow and
Amersham. This leaves roughly the same track availability as at
present with the opportunity for future (whole/part) conversion of the
Met to 25kV when the DC equipment is beyond saving, possible use of
joint stock (i.e. including existing stock with new transformer
coaches and new sets re-using displaced coaches from old sets). With
the Met being diverted to Watford Junction and thoughts about
extensions north of Aylesbury it would reduce the electrical
incompatibility that LU has with surrounding systems.

Stand on any up platform, Amersham to Moor Park inclusive, and observe how
few passengers use the Chiltern services

Maybe they don't all want to go where the Chiltern trains (presently)
go ?

- so upgrading Aylesbury to
Marylebone would yield no benefit to the overwhelming majority of these
thousands of passengers.

I doubt if the passengers give a damn how the juice reaches the
trains; they are more likely to notice when things go missing such as
e.g. trains from Aylesbury to Baker Street. Getting rid of running two
different systems (one non-standard) in what is practically the same
space would add to flexibility and ought to decrease potential
problems.

Likewise with the god-forsaken idea of pushing the
Met on into Watford Junction. As for the conversion of the Met to OHLE -
this is the loose sort of thinking that spawned IEP.

Distinct from the loose sort of thinking of replacing a knackered
obsolete DC ground-based supply with a brand new obsolete DC
ground-based supply system ?
It is the sort of thinking that has contributed to the greatly
increased use of the North London line.
It is the sort of thinking that seems to be under serious
consideration in SR third-rail territory.