Mizter T wrote:

I (genuinely) totally disagree with you - I think this will eventually
become one of the so-called 'killer applications' that pushes the
contactless card payment method into the mainstream.

(And FWIW, I haven't got a contactless card in my wallet either!)

I have two, and it means I have to get my Oyster out of my wallet now,
while I used to be able to just bang the whole wallet on the reader.

But yes, I agree, this will become a "killer app" - particularly for
non-London bus companies who don't wish to spend a fortune on the
infrastructure to do a PAYG smartcard when the banks can do it for them.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

On 12/12/2012 23:54, Neil Williams wrote:
Mizter T wrote:

I (genuinely) totally disagree with you - I think this will eventually
become one of the so-called 'killer applications' that pushes the
contactless card payment method into the mainstream.

(And FWIW, I haven't got a contactless card in my wallet either!)

I have two, and it means I have to get my Oyster out of my wallet now,
while I used to be able to just bang the whole wallet on the reader.


Depends on the reader, really. I have two contactless transport cards in
my current Oyster card holder, one being an Oyster card, the other being
from another city on the continent. I can bang them both together on
some bus lines and fare gates, and the reader will read only the Oyster
Card. Readers on other busses or fare gates will indicate that there is
more than one card and that it can distinguish between the two.

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..net, at 23:54:15 on Wed, 12 Dec 2012, Neil Williams
remarked:
I agree, this will become a "killer app" - particularly for
non-London bus companies who don't wish to spend a fortune on the
infrastructure to do a PAYG smartcard

Although some (not many) are using ITSO instead, which has the advantage
that it works when you aren't paying (twirly card) and also supports
season tickets.

when the banks can do it for them.

Who owns and runs the capping system? And that's not just a TfL sort of
capping but bus companies where you buy an "all day" ticket, and then
swipe in with it multiple times during the day.
--
Roland Perry

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
Mizter T wrote:

I (genuinely) totally disagree with you - I think this will eventually
become one of the so-called 'killer applications' that pushes the
contactless card payment method into the mainstream.

(And FWIW, I haven't got a contactless card in my wallet either!)

I have two, and it means I have to get my Oyster out of my wallet now,
while I used to be able to just bang the whole wallet on the reader.

But yes, I agree, this will become a "killer app" - particularly for
non-London bus companies who don't wish to spend a fortune on the
infrastructure to do a PAYG smartcard when the banks can do it for them.

Is the bit that you are saving going to be significant?

You're still going to have to have a reader in every bus.

You still need to download the data each day to some central collation
point.

You need to provide some sort of intelligent ticketing - most rural bus
companies offer discount returns.

You'll need a "complaints" department to handle mis-reads.

On Dec 13, 1:26*pm, "tim....." wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote in message

...

Mizter T wrote:

I (genuinely) totally disagree with you - I think this will eventually
become one of the so-called 'killer applications' that pushes the
contactless card payment method into the mainstream.

(And FWIW, I haven't got a contactless card in my wallet either!)

I have two, and it means I have to get my Oyster out of my wallet now,
while I used to be able to just bang the whole wallet on the reader.

But yes, I agree, this will become a "killer app" - particularly for
non-London bus companies who don't wish to spend a fortune on the
infrastructure to do a PAYG smartcard when the banks can do it for them..

Is the bit that you are saving going to be significant?

You're still going to have to have a reader in every bus.

You still need to download the data each day to some central collation
point.

You need to provide some sort of intelligent ticketing - most rural bus
companies offer discount returns.

You'll need a "complaints" department to handle mis-reads.

And if the bus service is curtailed - that is cut short of its
destination - then when you board the bus behind you end up paying
twice. That's a scam that TfL have been running for years. It nets
them millions of pounds extra profit. Tourists are usually affected by
this the most. CJB.

On 13/12/2012 14:31, CJB wrote:
On Dec 13, 1:26 pm, "tim....." wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote in message

...

Mizter T wrote:

I (genuinely) totally disagree with you - I think this will eventually
become one of the so-called 'killer applications' that pushes the
contactless card payment method into the mainstream.

(And FWIW, I haven't got a contactless card in my wallet either!)

I have two, and it means I have to get my Oyster out of my wallet now,
while I used to be able to just bang the whole wallet on the reader.

But yes, I agree, this will become a "killer app" - particularly for
non-London bus companies who don't wish to spend a fortune on the
infrastructure to do a PAYG smartcard when the banks can do it for them.

Is the bit that you are saving going to be significant?

You're still going to have to have a reader in every bus.

You still need to download the data each day to some central collation
point.

You need to provide some sort of intelligent ticketing - most rural bus
companies offer discount returns.

You'll need a "complaints" department to handle mis-reads.

And if the bus service is curtailed - that is cut short of its
destination - then when you board the bus behind you end up paying
twice. That's a scam that TfL have been running for years. It nets
them millions of pounds extra profit. Tourists are usually affected by
this the most. CJB.


No, if they have to change the bus' destination, thus curtailing its
run, then you can simply ask the driver for a continuation ticket.

That's how they do it in London, at least.

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On Dec 13, 11:07*pm, "
wrote:
On 13/12/2012 14:31, CJB wrote:









On Dec 13, 1:26 pm, "tim....." wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote in message

...

Mizter T wrote:

I (genuinely) totally disagree with you - I think this will eventually
become one of the so-called 'killer applications' that pushes the
contactless card payment method into the mainstream.

(And FWIW, I haven't got a contactless card in my wallet either!)

I have two, and it means I have to get my Oyster out of my wallet now,
while I used to be able to just bang the whole wallet on the reader.

But yes, I agree, this will become a "killer app" - particularly for
non-London bus companies who don't wish to spend a fortune on the
infrastructure to do a PAYG smartcard when the banks can do it for them.

Is the bit that you are saving going to be significant?

You're still going to have to have a reader in every bus.

You still need to download the data each day to some central collation
point.

You need to provide some sort of intelligent ticketing - most rural bus
companies offer discount returns.

You'll need a "complaints" department to handle mis-reads.

And if the bus service is curtailed - that is cut short of its
destination - then when you board the bus behind you end up paying
twice. That's a scam that TfL have been running for years. It nets
them millions of pounds extra profit. Tourists are usually affected by
this the most. *CJB.

No, if they have to change the bus' destination, thus curtailing its
run, then you can simply ask the driver for a continuation ticket.

That's how they do it in London, at least.

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That is not how they do it London. This is SUPPOSED to be the way, but
most times the drivers simply can't be bothered - they just put a pre-
recorded announcement on about a change of destination, flick the
lights on and off when they get there, and tell everyone to get off
and catch the next bus behind, So only knowing commuters ask for a
ticket, or simply talk their way into getting onto the next bus for
free. Everyone else incl. hapless tourists touch-in again and occur an
extra fare. As I said this scam rakes in millions of extra revenue for
TfL - all due to the laziness or indifference of the drivers. CJB

In message
, at
05:20:59 on Fri, 14 Dec 2012, CJB remarked:
And if the bus service is curtailed - that is cut short of its
destination - then when you board the bus behind you end up paying
twice. That's a scam that TfL have been running for years. It nets
them millions of pounds extra profit. Tourists are usually affected by
this the most. *CJB.

No, if they have to change the bus' destination, thus curtailing its
run, then you can simply ask the driver for a continuation ticket.

That's how they do it in London, at least.

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That is not how they do it London. This is SUPPOSED to be the way, but
most times the drivers simply can't be bothered - they just put a pre-
recorded announcement on about a change of destination, flick the
lights on and off when they get there, and tell everyone to get off
and catch the next bus behind, So only knowing commuters ask for a
ticket, or simply talk their way into getting onto the next bus for
free.

Wouldn't commuters have a season ticket anyway?

Everyone else incl. hapless tourists touch-in again and occur an
extra fare.

Yes, they are ones who suffer, domestic 'tourists' as well as foreign
ones.
--
Roland Perry

CJB writes:


That is not how they do it London. This is SUPPOSED to be the way, but
most times the drivers simply can't be bothered - they just put a pre-
recorded announcement on about a change of destination, flick the
lights on and off when they get there, and tell everyone to get off
and catch the next bus behind, So only knowing commuters ask for a
ticket, or simply talk their way into getting onto the next bus for
free. Everyone else incl. hapless tourists touch-in again and occur an
extra fare. As I said this scam rakes in millions of extra revenue for
TfL - all due to the laziness or indifference of the drivers. CJB
I have only ever come across a change of destination/going out of
service in London. Thats the only time the bus has been driven away.

Elsewhere the only time I have had to change buses is due to breakdown,
so when the relief/following bus arrives you just swap over.

Paul Corfield wrote on 14 December 2012 13:38:30 ...

Oh and while we're on this subject please tell me what fool proof
system Paris or Berlin use that prevents exactly the same problem
happening to tourists? Last time I used a bus in Paris I was turfed
off a bus that was short turned. No one told me what I or anyone else
had to do when the next bus turned up.

In Paris, the standard single-journey "t+" ticket is valid for a journey
made up of several bus segments, so presumably you are meant to validate
it again on the next bus, as you would do if you were changing routes.
I'm not sure whether the system would regard that as a breach of the
no-break-of-journey rule on a single route. I suspect it just checks
against the maximum 1.5 hour journey time.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)