On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:27:24 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
wrote:

In article , wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:41:05 -0000
"Patrick O'Neill" wrote:
"D7666" wrote in message
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The Acton Relay room has gone pop together with serious damage to
lineside
cabinets.- Hide quoted text -


Ditto AIUI at Preston Park, fire damaged signmals cabinet and traction
eqpt.

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Nick

Yes looks worse down there.

What the hell happened? A power surge or sabotage?

The end of the world fizzled out ?

Cancelled due to the economic situation ?

Charles Ellson wrote:

You suspect the Tooting Popular Front ?

Isn't it the People's Front?

Neil
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On 21/12/12 12:40, Neil Williams wrote:
CJB wrote:

Also most (all?) Intercity trains from Paddington to the West were
cancelled. Again rebooking is likely to be an issue since all
subsequent trains are likely to be fully booked.

When was the last time you travelled by IC train in the UK?

Clue: the UK does not operate compulsory reservations.

True, but there is typically only one unbooked carriage, into which the
displaced passengers from several other trains are unlikely to fit.

Ian

In article , (The Real
Doctor) wrote:

On 21/12/12 12:40, Neil Williams wrote:
CJB wrote:

Also most (all?) Intercity trains from Paddington to the West were
cancelled. Again rebooking is likely to be an issue since all
subsequent trains are likely to be fully booked.

When was the last time you travelled by IC train in the UK?

Clue: the UK does not operate compulsory reservations.

True, but there is typically only one unbooked carriage, into which
the displaced passengers from several other trains are unlikely to
fit.

FSVO "unbooked". The no-show rate can be phenomenal.

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Colin Rosenstiel

The Real Doctor wrote:

True, but there is typically only one unbooked carriage, into which the
displaced passengers from several other trains are unlikely to fit.

Seated probably not. There is no requirement for them to be seated, and no
rule against the entire train being "full and standing", which is generally
the best way to clear a mess like that.

Neil
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On 22/12/12 20:03, Neil Williams wrote:
The Real Doctor wrote:

True, but there is typically only one unbooked carriage, into which the
displaced passengers from several other trains are unlikely to fit.

Seated probably not. There is no requirement for them to be seated, and no
rule against the entire train being "full and standing", which is generally
the best way to clear a mess like that.

"And standing" normally means at most one extra passenger per row of
seats, so 25% over capacity. Good luck carry several extra trains' worth
that way. This is long distance stuff we're talking about, not the
commute from Milton Keynes to Euston.

Ian

The Real Doctor writes:

True, but there is typically only one unbooked carriage, into which
the displaced passengers from several other trains are unlikely to
fit.

Or, as BR did on a number of occasions when there was disruption, cancel
all reservations.

On Dec 22, 10:03*pm, Graham Murray wrote:
The Real Doctor writes:

True, but there is typically only one unbooked carriage, into which
the displaced passengers from several other trains are unlikely to
fit.

Or, as BR did on a number of occasions when there was disruption, cancel
all reservations.

It's interesting that the railways have an extensive pattern of things
to do when they fail to run a service, but put far less effort into
not failing in the first place. It's a fine line between contingency
planning and failure becoming normal.

ian

"ian batten" wrote in message
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On Dec 22, 10:03 pm, Graham Murray wrote:
The Real Doctor writes:

True, but there is typically only one unbooked carriage, into which
the displaced passengers from several other trains are unlikely to
fit.

Or, as BR did on a number of occasions when there was disruption, cancel
all reservations.

It's interesting that the railways have an extensive pattern of things
to do when they fail to run a service, but put far less effort into
not failing in the first place. It's a fine line between contingency
planning and failure becoming normal.

ian

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I'll be interested to see what they do around Exeter. Apparently the
reason why the line between Taunton and Exeter has been (is still?) closed
today is that some form of defense has been built to stop the flood waters
damaging the track but it means trains can't run. Given how long it took
them to sort everything out earlier in December that doesn't see totally
unreasonable as a temporary solution - once the water recedes they'll be
able to run again soon after but it's not a permanent solution. I just
hope it doesn't become the default contingency.

The Real Doctor wrote:

"And standing" normally means at most one extra passenger per row of
seats, so 25% over capacity. Good luck carry several extra trains' worth
that way. This is long distance stuff we're talking about, not the
commute from Milton Keynes to Euston.

The GWML is a glorified outersuburban operation these days. Crush-loads
are not at all unknown.

The term full and standing tends to mean "you're unlikely to fit on".

Neil
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