I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just quickly
check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B
in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's
fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to
the circus etc).

(For clarity, there's no complex interpretation of the routing guide
involved here, nor any cross-London tube transfer - though that needn't
make any difference so long as the BoJ isn't attempted in the middle of
a cross-London tube transfer journey.)

The point I'm making to my friend is that if they wanted to make an
A-B-C journey with a BoJ at B within the London zones, with the A-B
portion occurring in the morning peak, then actually buying a paper NR
ticket might be cheaper than paying 2x peak Oyster NR PAYG fares,
depending on the journeys in question.


Example... (all Oyster NR PAYG fares quoted are peak, charged on
weekdays between 0630-0930 and 1600-1900)

Surbiton to Clapham Junction with BoJ at Wimbledon.

Anytime Single (paper ticket) - £4.40

Surbiton to Wimbledon Oyster NR Peak fare - £3.20
Wimbledon to Clapham Jn Oyster NR Peak fare - £2.10
(Total of £5.30.)

Of course, when it comes to it, avoiding the morning rush hour
ticket-buying queues and zapping straight through with Oyster might be
worth 90p!

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B in
the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's fun
etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing London
as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip from B to
the relevant London terminal to continue.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

In article

, (Neil Williams) wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just
quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B
in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's
fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to
the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing
London as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip from
B to the relevant London terminal to continue.

You can't even exit the tube at a station that isn't on the list for
cross-London journeys.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 21/07/2013 22:11, wrote:

(Neil Williams) wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just
quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B
in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's
fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to
the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing
London as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip from
B to the relevant London terminal to continue.

You can't even exit the tube at a station that isn't on the list for
cross-London journeys.

I think I've read conflicting info on this particular issue, but I
remember reading on the District Dave forum that in practice, LU staff
will let people out of a station (at least within central London) if
they ask. That said, it's certainly not the intention of the
cross-London tube transfer ticketing arrangements to facilitate this.

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 21/07/2013 22:11, wrote:

(Neil Williams) wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing
who is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of
doubt to creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just
quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B
in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's
fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to
the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing
London as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip
from B to the relevant London terminal to continue.

You can't even exit the tube at a station that isn't on the list for
cross-London journeys.

I think I've read conflicting info on this particular issue, but I
remember reading on the District Dave forum that in practice, LU
staff will let people out of a station (at least within central
London) if they ask. That said, it's certainly not the intention of
the cross-London tube transfer ticketing arrangements to facilitate
this.

I was refused exit at Goodge Street on a cross-London ticket once and told
in no uncertain terms that I could only go to and from main line stations. I
went back to Euston and exited there without problems.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote in message
...
In article

, (Neil Williams) wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just
quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B
in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's
fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to
the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing
London as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip
from
B to the relevant London terminal to continue.

You can't even exit the tube at a station that isn't on the list for
cross-London journeys.

yes you can

the rules specifically allow this, but you have to argue your case at the
manual exit and most staff don't know the rule

tim

In Neil Williams writes:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B in
the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's fun
etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing London
as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip from B to
the relevant London terminal to continue.

Well that's not what the ticket clerk at our local station told me when I
asked whether I could book a ticket from Manchester to Reading via London,
and then break my journey for an afternoon at Bletchley.

He said break of journey was only allowed if you claimed to be too ill to
proceed without the break. Emphasis on the word "claimed".

--
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In message , at 19:17:25 on Wed, 24 Jul
2013, Charles Lindsey remarked:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B in
the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's fun
etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing London
as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip from B to
the relevant London terminal to continue.

Well that's not what the ticket clerk at our local station told me when I
asked whether I could book a ticket from Manchester to Reading via London,
and then break my journey for an afternoon at Bletchley.

He said break of journey was only allowed if you claimed to be too ill to
proceed without the break. Emphasis on the word "claimed".

What nonsense. Where do they get these people from?

Getting back to the overnight BoJ (because the journey is impossible to
complete) there's a degree of interpretation in that I suppose.

Here's a real example: Sheffield to Liverpool St via Ely (which is a
permitted route).

The last train from Ely to Liverpool St is the 22.15, change Cambridge,
arriving 00:18, which might be a bit late for some people - depending on
where they were planning on sleeping overnight.

The last train (on which a through ticket is valid) from Sheffield to
Ely arrives at 22:11, so it could be argued that you should never have
to "overnight" at Ely.

Modulo the minimum interchange time which seems to have gone AWOL from
the National Rail site, but is unlikely to be as little as 4 minutes I'd
have thought.

[Although of course, these two trains used to be a guaranteed
connection, because both being run by Central they swapped crew at Ely,
so that the Norwich crew from the train bound for Cambridge would have
taken the ex-Liverpool/Sheffield train onwards to Norwich, and the
Liverpool/Sheffield train's crew would have finished their shift with a
short hop to Cambridge.]
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

Getting back to the overnight BoJ (because the journey is impossible
to complete) there's a degree of interpretation in that I suppose.

Here's a real example: Sheffield to Liverpool St via Ely (which is a
permitted route).

The last train from Ely to Liverpool St is the 22.15, change
Cambridge, arriving 00:18, which might be a bit late for some people
- depending on where they were planning on sleeping overnight.

The last train (on which a through ticket is valid) from Sheffield to
Ely arrives at 22:11, so it could be argued that you should never
have to "overnight" at Ely.

Modulo the minimum interchange time which seems to have gone AWOL
from the National Rail site, but is unlikely to be as little as 4
minutes I'd have thought.

[Although of course, these two trains used to be a guaranteed
connection, because both being run by Central they swapped crew at
Ely, so that the Norwich crew from the train bound for Cambridge
would have taken the ex-Liverpool/Sheffield train onwards to Norwich,
and the Liverpool/Sheffield train's crew would have finished their
shift with a short hop to Cambridge.]

Ely is 6 minutes in Table 17 of the GBTT which is still obtainable from the
Network Rail web site.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 07:09:47
on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, remarked:
Modulo the minimum interchange time which seems to have gone AWOL
from the National Rail site, but is unlikely to be as little as 4
minutes I'd have thought.

[Although of course, these two trains used to be a guaranteed
connection, because both being run by Central they swapped crew at
Ely, so that the Norwich crew from the train bound for Cambridge
would have taken the ex-Liverpool/Sheffield train onwards to Norwich,
and the Liverpool/Sheffield train's crew would have finished their
shift with a short hop to Cambridge.]

Ely is 6 minutes in Table 17 of the GBTT which is still obtainable from the
Network Rail web site.

Thanks for that.

I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?
--
Roland Perry