Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Would this cause problems?

Yes, because the readers are being modified to accept these as a
pseudo Oyster.

Neil

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On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:14:19 PM UTC, wrote:
Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually Underground ones)with an error 94.



The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a proximity debit card.



Would this cause problems?

In my experience even a first generation chip and pin card could interfere with any variant of an Oyster card being read. I always carried mine in a separate wallet and now use a third wallet for my ENCTS card.

In message , at
00:12:30 on Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Would this cause problems?

Yes, because the readers are being modified to accept these as a pseudo
Oyster.

I think presenting two different cards always caused a problem. It's the
Achilles Heel of virtually every RFID card implementation.

On the other hand, my dual "Paywave and Oyster" Barclaycard works fine,
which means perhaps it's got some clever avoidance technology.

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:05:04 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
00:12:30 on Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Would this cause problems?

Yes, because the readers are being modified to accept these as a pseudo
Oyster.

I think presenting two different cards always caused a problem. It's the
Achilles Heel of virtually every RFID card implementation.

On the other hand, my dual "Paywave and Oyster" Barclaycard works fine,
which means perhaps it's got some clever avoidance technology.

It shouldn't be too hard a problem to solve - ethernet has managed to do
collision detection since the 80s. I guess it depends on how smart they
want to make the hardware in the card.

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Spud

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 05:50:49PM -0700, Piatkow wrote:

In my experience even a first generation chip and pin card could interfere with any variant of an Oyster card being read. I always carried mine in a separate wallet and now use a third wallet for my ENCTS card.

It's nice to see how easy these contactless cards make our lives!

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:39:10 +0000
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 05:50:49PM -0700, Piatkow wrote:

In my experience even a first generation chip and pin card could interfere
with any variant of an Oyster card being read. I always carried mine in a
separate wallet and now use a third wallet for my ENCTS card.

It's nice to see how easy these contactless cards make our lives!

Don't ever make the mistake of thinking this is done for the passengers
benefit - just like Oyster its done entirely for TfLs benefit (a paper
travelcard was just as simple to use as an Oyster card but you didn't need a
5 quid deposit first). Soon they'll be able to suck money direct out of
peoples bank accounts and no doubt plenty of mugs are already lined up to
help them do it.

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Spud

Paul Corfield wrote on 31 October 2013 12:15:09 ...
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?

Yes because TfL are almost certainly deploying new software to all
card reading devices (on rail modes) in preparation for launch of
contactless bank card acceptance and daily capping in 2014. There
will be "clash detection" in operation when someone presents two cards
within the read area of the target on the gate or validator. As the
reader cannot determine which card the holder wants to have read it
will reject both.

Even with the old software, I had problems when Barclaycard started
issuing RFID cards. Before then, I had no problems getting my Freedom
Pass read through a stack of several chip-and-pin cards. But with the
RFID Barclaycard included, I had frequent failures to read. I now have
the Freedom pass in a separate flap of the wallet which I open out when
using an Oyster reader.
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Paul Corfield wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually
Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a
proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?

Yes because TfL are almost certainly deploying new software to all
card reading devices (on rail modes) in preparation for launch of
contactless bank card acceptance and daily capping in 2014. There
will be "clash detection" in operation when someone presents two cards
within the read area of the target on the gate or validator. As the
reader cannot determine which card the holder wants to have read it
will reject both.

I understand that there had previously been only a couple of locations
with new software for testing purposes.

I know we're all different in how we organise things like cards but I
always keep Oyster cards and bank cards in separate wallets.

I have only one wallet and that is too many How with one wallet will
you use these cards? I don't want to carry a bag/purse around to put all
these wallets in. Perhaps I could put them in may back pocket as I did
with paper seasons or does that still break the connections?

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Mark

(Mark Bestley) wrote on 31 October 2013 17:04:35 ...
Paul Corfield wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually
Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a
proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?

Yes because TfL are almost certainly deploying new software to all
card reading devices (on rail modes) in preparation for launch of
contactless bank card acceptance and daily capping in 2014. There
will be "clash detection" in operation when someone presents two cards
within the read area of the target on the gate or validator. As the
reader cannot determine which card the holder wants to have read it
will reject both.

I understand that there had previously been only a couple of locations
with new software for testing purposes.

I know we're all different in how we organise things like cards but I
always keep Oyster cards and bank cards in separate wallets.

I have only one wallet and that is too many How with one wallet will
you use these cards? I don't want to carry a bag/purse around to put all
these wallets in. Perhaps I could put them in may back pocket as I did
with paper seasons or does that still break the connections?

Go to johnlewis.com and search for "trifold wallet". You can put one
RFID card in each of the two fold-out sections, other cards in the
middle section.
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Richard J.
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