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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:38:22 +0000, Mizter T
wrote: I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they won't necessarily issue them to every category of customer. People said that of Chip and Pin. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:01:17 +0000, David Walters
wrote: I generally agree with you but there are lots of tickets that can currently only be bought from a ticket office. As an example can I get a £2 travelcard for a child travelling with me while I use my Gold Card from any machines? I don't know, but adding them is a simple software matter. 10 years ago people on here rubbished the idea of station ticket machines issuing tickets to all destinations from that station. Oops. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:02:52 +0100, "tim......"
wrote: can you do this? No, but again a simple software matter to add the facility. The data is there as it can be seen on screen. AIUI only available with registered cards, which mine is not (and now never will be) Your loss... Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:04:59 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote: I wonder how they're going to cope with Oyster problems - the only thing I use a tube ticket office for these days. eg, sorting out things like "This card has stopped working, please give me a new one and transfer my balance". And of course "I don't want this card any more, give me back the balance and my deposit please" 1 could be done online or at a ticket machine, again just needs a process and the software. 2 could up to a certain level be done by a machine, or at the proposed 5ish tourist centres, or by posting it in and receiving a refund by BACS. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
"Neil Williams" wrote in message .net... On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:50:17 +0100, "tim......" wrote: (as well as the in station options) German (/Italian/Belgium/Dutch/Spanish) systems normally work on the basis of there being a prepaid "carnet" or strip ticket (or smart card), which you buy from manned newsagents (etc), so the comparison is entirely false, IMHO. You mean like, say, Oyster? no Oyster requires you to own a one time purchase card which has limited supply outlets German transit systems let you buy a paper ticket for immediate travel, from thirs party agents Hamburg doesn't and never has had, btw. It has a fare structure very similar to London. Are you sure Long time since I was there but I'm sure that they had strip cards tim Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
"Neil Williams" wrote in message .net... On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:02:52 +0100, "tim......" wrote: can you do this? No, but again a simple software matter to add the facility. The data is there as it can be seen on screen. AIUI only available with registered cards, which mine is not (and now never will be) Your loss... It wasn't deliberate tim |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On 22/11/2013 14:33, Neil Williams wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:38:22 +0000, Mizter T wrote: I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they won't necessarily issue them to every category of customer. People said that of Chip and Pin. No - Chip and PIN became a standard. Contactless transactions inherently don't feature online authorisation with the bank, because there isn't enough time. I don't think that, for example, basic bank account holders will get CPC cards because of this issue. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On 22/11/2013 15:10, wrote: In article , (Mizter T) wrote: [...] You can only add less than £5 to Oyster at a ticket stop. I don't use the tube enough to add that much at a time. It would still be there for when you next want to use it Colin, as you well know. It could be in a year's time as my wife found out. I don't know what happened with your wife, but the money stays on the card. Anyhow, you can add less than £5 at Tube ticket machines, ditto for NR ticket machines that do Oyster top ups. Only with exact change. Sorry, I meant to add that. True - though for NR (and LO) ticket machines, one can choose an amount and receive change. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:03:41 +0100, "tim......"
wrote: no Oyster requires you to own a one time purchase card which has limited supply outlets Now issued at ticket machines and newsagents, no? German transit systems let you buy a paper ticket for immediate travel, from thirs party agents Not in Hamburg. Are you sure Yes. Long time since I was there but I'm sure that they had strip cards No, they do not and never did. Some German cities do though. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:04:12 +0100, "tim......"
wrote: It wasn't deliberate Sounds like there is a problem with your card. Run it down to zero and get a new one then! Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:20:07 +0000, Mizter T
wrote: I don't think that, for example, basic bank account holders will get CPC cards because of this issue. Probably not. But I am sure all banks will issue to any standard debit card eligible customer, as people will generally want them. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:24:50 +0000, Mizter T
wrote: True - though for NR (and LO) ticket machines, one can choose an amount and receive change. Again a simple software mod. I would not allow change (as this is costly) but would allow exact money. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:57:56 +0100
Neil Williams wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:04:12 +0100, "tim......" wrote: It wasn't deliberate Sounds like there is a problem with your card. Run it down to zero and get a new one then! And if all the ticket offices are closed how is he supposed to get his 5 quid deposit back for the broken one? Send if off in the post and wait a month? -- Spud |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:50:07 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:35:13 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:01:17 +0000, David Walters wrote: I generally agree with you but there are lots of tickets that can currently only be bought from a ticket office. As an example can I get a £2 travelcard for a child travelling with me while I use my Gold Card from any machines? I don't know, but adding them is a simple software matter. 10 years ago people on here rubbished the idea of station ticket machines issuing tickets to all destinations from that station. Oops. I have typed a long reply to you based on an earlier post but your reply above will simply be your response to everything I've raised. You're clearly happy to see all the offices shut and to put up with impersonal ways of dealing with problems. Therefore there's no point in me posting my reply. He's probably one of those people who thinks because HE never needs a particular service, no one else ever will either. Sadly this country is full of people like that, a lot of them in positions of authority. -- Spud |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:50:07 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote: You're clearly happy to see all the offices shut and to put up with impersonal ways of dealing with problems. Yes, TBH, I am. I want a public transport system to be efficient, punctual, fast, reasonably comfortable and cheap. I don't want a chat, and if I did I wouldn't consider it the taxpayer's role to subsidise it. I think the German "no staff other than the drivers" model works excellently and we would do well to adopt it, other than that we probably need barriers and a few staff on those because of higher levels of dishonesty. So I fear we must agree to disagree. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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On 22/11/2013 19:32, Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:50:07 +0000, Paul Corfield wrote: You're clearly happy to see all the offices shut and to put up with impersonal ways of dealing with problems. Yes, TBH, I am. I want a public transport system to be efficient, punctual, fast, reasonably comfortable and cheap. I don't want a chat, and if I did I wouldn't consider it the taxpayer's role to subsidise it. I think the German "no staff other than the drivers" model works excellently and we would do well to adopt it, other than that we probably need barriers and a few staff on those because of higher levels of dishonesty. So I fear we must agree to disagree. No-one ever seems to complain that British tram stops are totally unmanned (unlike Istanbul), and so are escalators (unlike Moscow). -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
In article ,
(tim......) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (Neil Williams) wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:17:20 -0600, wrote: Are they going to introduce Oyster history printing facilities at ticket machines then? That can only be obtained from ticket offices now. Which is another trick missed with Oyster - such services should have been machine only from day one. I agree. You can see the details on screen but not get a permanent record. The ticket office printers also fade pretty quickly so are far from permanent. Will the machine printed ones last any longer? Since they don't currently exist it's hard to tell. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
"Neil Williams" wrote
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 Mizter T wrote: I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they won't necessarily issue them to every category of customer. People said that of Chip and Pin. The banks still issue signature cards, eg to disabled clients who request them. And of course there are the foreigners. I noticed that supermarket self-checkouts allow for the possibility. -- Mike D |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 Mizter T wrote: I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they won't necessarily issue them to every category of customer. People said that of Chip and Pin. The banks still issue signature cards, eg to disabled clients who request them. And of course there are the foreigners. I noticed that supermarket self-checkouts allow for the possibility. Yes, including when they can't read a chip and pin card. Swiping and signing is nearly always an option at most card readers. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
"Roland Perry" wrote
Here's an article about that actually mentions use on London Underground (so perhaps that answers my earlier question, unless the author means buying tickets from a machine): http://bankinnovation.net/2011/03/travelex-chips-away-at-us-payment-habits/ date 2011 so probably. -- Mike D |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
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(Neil Williams) wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:10:11 -0600, wrote: It could be in a year's time as my wife found out. Presently Oyster cards do not time out. Not the point. See my other post. The tactic of encouraging people t top up more than they need at the time helps TfL rip people off. Only with exact change. Sorry, I meant to add that. That is not how it is intended to be used, and if you want to hit the system with the high administration costs of doing that, buy a paper ticket and contribute to them by way of the higher fee. I go to a Ticket Stop. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
In article , (Mizter T) wrote:
On 22/11/2013 15:10, wrote: In article , (Mizter T) wrote: [...] You can only add less than £5 to Oyster at a ticket stop. I don't use the tube enough to add that much at a time. It would still be there for when you next want to use it Colin, as you well know. It could be in a year's time as my wife found out. I don't know what happened with your wife, but the money stays on the card. She only found out a year later she's been diddled nearly a tenner. Wouldn't have been possible if her credit was limited to what she needed for her trip. All this sloppy "add a tenner" helps TfL get away with ripping people off for their faulty hardware as happened to her. I also object making interest free loans to TfL for months at a time. Anyhow, you can add less than £5 at Tube ticket machines, ditto for NR ticket machines that do Oyster top ups. Only with exact change. Sorry, I meant to add that. True - though for NR (and LO) ticket machines, one can choose an amount and receive change. Ah! Have never topped up at such machines so didn't realise that. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
In message , at 23:47:07 on Fri, 22
Nov 2013, Michael R N Dolbear remarked: I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they won't necessarily issue them to every category of customer. People said that of Chip and Pin. The banks still issue signature cards, eg to disabled clients who request them. The only time I tried they refused point blank. But then I didn't have a reason other than "I'd like to have at least one non C&P card". And of course there are the foreigners. I noticed that supermarket self-checkouts allow for the possibility. That's so they can continue to trade if the POS system is down. -- Roland Perry |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
In message , at 00:01:05 on Sat, 23
Nov 2013, Michael R N Dolbear remarked: Here's an article about that actually mentions use on London Underground (so perhaps that answers my earlier question, unless the author means buying tickets from a machine): http://bankinnovation.net/2011/03/travelex-chips-away-at-us-payment-habits/ date 2011 so probably. Well spotted. But no doubt such cards with contactless technology in them would be useful to tourists visiting London (if TfL can get over the Electron/Solo effect). -- Roland Perry |
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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:53:28 +0100, Neil Williams
wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:38:08 +0000, Scott wrote: I take it Oyster cards will still be available at retail outlets; also the ability to add value to them. Will visitors and others you be able to buy an Oyster card at NR main termini, either a the (NR) ticket office or at a shop there, and at Heathrow etc? You can now do both of these at ticket machines. How do you buy an Oyster card at a ticket machine? |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
In message , at 11:44:05 on
Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Richard remarked: The machines could be better but all you need to remember is that most of Berlin is in zones A and B. The new airport is in C. 30 minutes from the centre of the City. It's a shame it doesn't show up here though: http://www.bvg.de/index.php/de/binar...80593/file/1-1 -- Roland Perry |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
In message , at 12:59:36 on
Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Scott remarked: How do you buy an Oyster card at a ticket machine? Apparently (although I've not tried it) at least one machine at all but one TfL station will now vend you an Oyster as well as a paper ticket. No doubt it will be "unregistered" as collecting all that data with a huge queue behind you would be an issue. -- Roland Perry |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
"Roland Perry" wrote A good question. Do resident children have some sort of "toddler Freedom Pass" these days? When I tried to buy tube tickets for my children on a visit to London a few years ago I couldn't, because the machines wouldn't sell them and the ticket office at the station was unmanned. Children aged 5 - 10 travel free on London Buses, and free on London Underground if accompanied by a fare-paying or Freedom Pass holding adult. Children of this age also travel free unaccompanied if they hold an Oyster Photocard - this is available to non-resident children as well as London residents. Children aged 11 - 15 travel at child fare, but need an Oyster Photocard to obtain the Oyster child fares (which are much lower than cash Child fares). It does appear that there are some child fares only available from ticket offices (e.g the £2 Day Travelcard available to children accompanying a Gold Card or Network Card holder. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx and click on therelevant tabs. Peter |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 12:59:36 +0000, Scott
wrote: How do you buy an Oyster card at a ticket machine? Google it. The design of the narrow machines has been modified to allow the issue of Oyster cards. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:04:59 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:11:38PM +0000, Mizter T wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25025888 Blimey - I knew fewer ticket offices is the general direction of things, but wasn't expecting quite such a radical proposal. The pill is of course sweetened by the plan for 24hr running on some Tube lines, which in its own right is most welcome. I wonder how they're going to cope with Oyster problems - the only thing I use a tube ticket office for these days. eg, sorting out things like "This card has stopped working, please give me a new one and transfer my balance". And of course "I don't want this card any more, give me back the balance and my deposit please" I can see another problem, for those who want to have a Senior Railcard registered on their Oyster card. It's hard to see how that could be done conveniently at a vending machine. -- John Ray |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Saturday, 23 November 2013 08:56:21 UTC, Roland Perry wrote:
When I tried to buy tube tickets for my children on a visit to London a few years ago I couldn't, because the machines wouldn't sell them and the ticket office at the station was unmanned. Was it open and unmanned or closed and unmanned? When the ticket office is open it is not possible to buy child tickets from th machines. However, staff sometimes wander away from their position to make tea, do some banking etc. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
In message , at 18:30:10 on
Sat, 23 Nov 2013, John Ray remarked: I can see another problem, for those who want to have a Senior Railcard registered on their Oyster card. It's hard to see how that could be done conveniently at a vending machine. Ditto for the "student" railcard. -- Roland Perry |
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