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BER, was Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
The machines could be better but all you need to remember is that most
of Berlin is in zones A and B. The new airport is in C. 30 minutes from the centre of the City. It's a shame it doesn't show up here though: http://www.bvg.de/index.php/de/binar...80593/file/1-1 Yes, well. The new airport has only opened in the last year or so. When we visited in summer 2012 it was overdue and not yet open. Due to amazing contruction foul-ups in the fire suppression and alarm systems, it's still not open. Early 2015, maybe. Tegel is in zone B, get your weekly AB pass at the desk near the door to the bus stops or from the machine outside. -- Regards, John Levine, , Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly |
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How can you register an Oyster card without a ticket office?
I registered mine on the TfL web site. -- Regards, John Levine, , Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly |
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In message , at 18:42:54
on Sat, 23 Nov 2013, remarked: The machines could be better but all you need to remember is that most of Berlin is in zones A and B. The new airport is in C. 30 minutes from the centre of the City. It's a shame it doesn't show up here though: http://www.bvg.de/index.php/de/binar...80593/file/1-1 Yes, well. The new airport has only opened in the last year or so. It might have been one to file under "of course all the guidebooks are always up to date"... When we visited in summer 2012 it was overdue and not yet open. .... if it were actually open yet. March 2014 projected, it seems, for a partial opening of just 10 flights a day, full opening at least a year later. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 18:42:55
on Sat, 23 Nov 2013, remarked: Ditto for the "student" railcard. ITYM 16-25 Railcard. That's why I put it in quotes. -- Roland Perry |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
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12:14:48 on Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Offramp remarked: When I tried to buy tube tickets for my children on a visit to London a few years ago I couldn't, because the machines wouldn't sell them and the ticket office at the station was unmanned. Was it open and unmanned or closed and unmanned? When the ticket office is open it is not possible to buy child tickets from th machines. However, staff sometimes wander away from their position to make tea, do some banking etc. It's a few years ago now, but I think it was open but in "wandered off" mode. -- Roland Perry |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
In message , at 16:40:23 on
Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Peter Masson remarked: Children aged 5 - 10 travel free on London Buses, and free on London Underground if accompanied by a fare-paying or Freedom Pass holding adult. Children of this age also travel free unaccompanied if they hold an Oyster Photocard - this is available to non-resident children as well as London residents. That Oyster Photocard would be the "toddler Freedom Pass" then. How does a tourist get one of those issued without using a ticket office to paste the photo in? -- Roland Perry |
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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
"Roland Perry" wrote That Oyster Photocard would be the "toddler Freedom Pass" then. How does a tourist get one of those issued without using a ticket office to paste the photo in? The official name is a 5-10 Zip Oyster Photocard. As part of the application process you upload a digital photo, If they can cope with age verification online they post the card to you; if they can't the application has to be completed and the card issued at a Travel Information Centre. Ticket offices aren't part of the application process. London residents can apply in person at a Post Office in London, but may, and non-London residents have to, apply online. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...conditions.pdf Peter |
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In message , at 12:25:02 on
Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Peter Masson remarked: That Oyster Photocard would be the "toddler Freedom Pass" then. How does a tourist get one of those issued without using a ticket office to paste the photo in? The official name is a 5-10 Zip Oyster Photocard. As part of the application process you upload a digital photo, If they can cope with age verification online they post the card to you; How does the verification work if you are a foreign tourist? Must be quite a system they have that'll verify the details of a Venuzuelan passport online. if they can't the application has to be completed and the card issued at a Travel Information Centre. Where are they? The only ones I was familiar with are St James's Park and Trafalgar Square, and I thought they'd both been closed. Is there one at Heathrow, so the arriving tourist can get their card before catching the tube? Ticket offices aren't part of the application process. London residents can apply in person at a Post Office in London, but may, and non-London residents have to, apply online. Sounds like a bit of a hassle after arriving at Heathrow jetlagged, and wanting your right to free travel. Assuming you can find some connectivity in the tube station to log in I suppose. The well prepared road warrior might have a digital photo of their offspring handy though. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...tocard-terms-a nd-conditions.pdf -- Roland Perry |
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Mizter T writes:
On 22/11/2013 14:33, Neil Williams wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:38:22 +0000, Mizter T wrote: I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they won't necessarily issue them to every category of customer. People said that of Chip and Pin. No - Chip and PIN became a standard. Contactless transactions inherently don't feature online authorisation with the bank, because there isn't enough time. When I use contactless payment in the local Co-op, the machine still goes through the same calling acquirer, authorised messages it does when I use my pin. Phil |
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In message , at 13:39:58 on Sun, 24 Nov 2013,
Phil remarked: Contactless transactions inherently don't feature online authorisation with the bank, because there isn't enough time. When I use contactless payment in the local Co-op, the machine still goes through the same calling acquirer, authorised messages it does when I use my pin. s/online/real time/ It'd be interesting to have some case studies of where a contactless transaction wasn't in fact accepted less than a second after being proffered. -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 12:25:02 on Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Peter Masson remarked: That Oyster Photocard would be the "toddler Freedom Pass" then. How does a tourist get one of those issued without using a ticket office to paste the photo in? The official name is a 5-10 Zip Oyster Photocard. As part of the application process you upload a digital photo, If they can cope with age verification online they post the card to you; How does the verification work if you are a foreign tourist? Must be quite a system they have that'll verify the details of a Venuzuelan passport online. if they can't the application has to be completed and the card issued at a Travel Information Centre. Where are they? The only ones I was familiar with are St James's Park and Trafalgar Square, and I thought they'd both been closed. Is there one at Heathrow, so the arriving tourist can get their card before catching the tube? Ticket offices aren't part of the application process. London residents can apply in person at a Post Office in London, but may, and non-London residents have to, apply online. Sounds like a bit of a hassle after arriving at Heathrow jetlagged, and wanting your right to free travel. Assuming you can find some connectivity in the tube station to log in I suppose. The well prepared road warrior might have a digital photo of their offspring handy though. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...tocard-terms-a nd-conditions.pdf The well-organised Venezuelan tourist will have applied online from home, then complete the application, showing the Venezuelan passport as proof-of-age at the TIC at Heathrow. Others are at Kings Cross, Euston, Liverpool Street, Victoria, and Piccadilly Circus. Though the 5-10 yo Venezuelan tourist is unlikely to be travelling unaccompanied, and tube travel for this age-group is free, without photocard, if accompanying an adult ticket-holder (or an adult who has touched in with Oyster). Peter |
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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:48:26 +0000, Neil Williams
wrote: On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 12:59:36 +0000, Scott wrote: How do you buy an Oyster card at a ticket machine? Google it. The design of the narrow machines has been modified to allow the issue of Oyster cards. Thanks. I did not know that. I have not been to London for some time. I should have googled first, but I know now. |
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On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:41:33 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: That Oyster Photocard would be the "toddler Freedom Pass" then. How does a tourist get one of those issued without using a ticket office to paste the photo in? In most other countries I expect they would be unavailable and it would just be a "tourist tax". Or a city tax would be charged on hotel rooms and a free ticket issued for everyone staying. But TfL intend to keep a few offices at major tourist entry points. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:17:38 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: Is any of that allowed for a contactless transaction? I don't think there is any requirement to process it offline. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 10:09:10 on Sun, 24 Nov 2013, remarked: if they can't the application has to be completed and the card issued at a Travel Information Centre. Where are they? The only ones I was familiar with are St James's Park and Trafalgar Square, and I thought they'd both been closed. Is there one at Heathrow, so the arriving tourist can get their card before catching the tube? I thought St James's Park Travel Information Centre closed the best part of a decade ago? Could be as long ago as that. It always seemed to me that if they couldn't justify such an outlet in their own HQ building, was there ever a future for ones outside. There was at last one other left open when it closed. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:57:55 on Sun, 24 Nov 2013, remarked: if they can't the application has to be completed and the card issued at a Travel Information Centre. Where are they? The only ones I was familiar with are St James's Park and Trafalgar Square, and I thought they'd both been closed. Is there one at Heathrow, so the arriving tourist can get their card before catching the tube? I thought St James's Park Travel Information Centre closed the best part of a decade ago? Could be as long ago as that. It always seemed to me that if they couldn't justify such an outlet in their own HQ building, was there ever a future for ones outside. There was at last one other left open when it closed. According to the TfL website, Travel Information Centres are currently at: Liverpool St, Piccadilly Circus, Euston, Victoria, Kings Cross[1] and Heathrow T123. [1] Western Ticket Hall, St Pancras. I have to say I've never noticed it. Will pay more attention next time I'm there. From memory, it might be on the main passageway into the mainline station, rather than at the lower level where the ticket office is. |
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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 14:57:55 on Sun, 24 Nov 2013, remarked: if they can't the application has to be completed and the card issued at a Travel Information Centre. Where are they? The only ones I was familiar with are St James's Park and Trafalgar Square, and I thought they'd both been closed. Is there one at Heathrow, so the arriving tourist can get their card before catching the tube? I thought St James's Park Travel Information Centre closed the best part of a decade ago? Could be as long ago as that. It always seemed to me that if they couldn't justify such an outlet in their own HQ building, was there ever a future for ones outside. There was at least one other left open when it closed. According to the TfL website, Travel Information Centres are currently at: Liverpool St, Piccadilly Circus, Euston, Victoria, Kings Cross[1] and Heathrow T123. [1] Western Ticket Hall, St Pancras. I have to say I've never noticed it. Will pay more attention next time I'm there. You and me both! And I've tended to use the Western ticket hall for preference until last year. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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, (Recliner) wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:57:55 on Sun, 24 Nov 2013, remarked: if they can't the application has to be completed and the card issued at a Travel Information Centre. Where are they? The only ones I was familiar with are St James's Park and Trafalgar Square, and I thought they'd both been closed. Is there one at Heathrow, so the arriving tourist can get their card before catching the tube? I thought St James's Park Travel Information Centre closed the best part of a decade ago? Could be as long ago as that. It always seemed to me that if they couldn't justify such an outlet in their own HQ building, was there ever a future for ones outside. There was at least one other left open when it closed. According to the TfL website, Travel Information Centres are currently at: Liverpool St, Piccadilly Circus, Euston, Victoria, Kings Cross[1] and Heathrow T123. [1] Western Ticket Hall, St Pancras. I have to say I've never noticed it. Will pay more attention next time I'm there. From memory, it might be on the main passageway into the mainline station, rather than at the lower level where the ticket office is. Don't think so, not open regularly at least. There are cash machines on that passageway. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:19:49 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: According to the TfL website, Travel Information Centres are currently at: Liverpool St, Piccadilly Circus, Euston, Victoria, Kings Cross[1] and Heathrow T123. [1] Western Ticket Hall, St Pancras. I have to say I've never noticed it. Will pay more attention next time I'm there. It is in the Sub Surface lines area near where the big doors are in to St Pancras itself - you walk up a small flight of stairs from the LU ticket office to an intermediate landing. If you're in a rush it is easy to miss. I think it was put there so it would be on the main drag from Eurostar to the tube. Ah, where I thought it was. |
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(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:57:55 -0600, wrote: In article , (Neil Williams) wrote: But TfL intend to keep a few offices at major tourist entry points. Do they have one at King's Cross St Pancras even now? Must be second only to Heathrow for arriving tourists. There are always gargantuan queues at the ticket offices now. And at the ticket machines. With the recent diversions that routed NR passengers to the Northern ticket hall there were ridiculous queues at the ticket office and machines. Previously it was the old Tube ticket hall that took the brunt of the queues. I was there with a group from Cambridge one Saturday including two unfamiliar with London. They had bought London Terminals Day Returns when the rest of us had bought Travelcards. We arrived on Platform 10 I think. I took one look at the queue in the Northern ticket hall and two of us took pity and lent them our own (spare) Oyster cards to get where we were going. The old tube ticket hall was no better. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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, at 15:31:01 on Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Recliner remarked: According to the TfL website, Travel Information Centres are currently at: Liverpool St, Piccadilly Circus, Euston, Victoria, Kings Cross[1] and Heathrow T123. [1] Western Ticket Hall, St Pancras. I have to say I've never noticed it. Will pay more attention next time I'm there. From memory, it might be on the main passageway into the mainline station, rather than at the lower level where the ticket office is. In the area between the "pillared room" and Euston Road? Beyond there is the Eurostar ticket office, but that's inside St Pancras proper, not the Western ticket hall. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 00:03:22 on
Mon, 25 Nov 2013, Paul Corfield remarked: According to the TfL website, Travel Information Centres are currently at: Liverpool St, Piccadilly Circus, Euston, Victoria, Kings Cross[1] and Heathrow T123. [1] Western Ticket Hall, St Pancras. I have to say I've never noticed it. Will pay more attention next time I'm there. It is in the Sub Surface lines area near where the big doors are in to St Pancras itself - you walk up a small flight of stairs from the LU ticket office to an intermediate landing. Thanks, I'll take a look next time I'm there. Behind me here, to the left or to the right? http://www.perry.co.uk/images/stp-western-queue.jpg [Seasonal picture from a few years ago showing that people do queue to buy tickets, and even at the machines] -- Roland Perry |
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18:54:38 on Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Neil Williams remarked: On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:17:38 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: [Lidl allegedly completing a contactless transaction by requesting a signature] Is any of that allowed for a contactless transaction? I don't think there is any requirement to process it offline. But is it allowed to process a contactless transaction offline? -- Roland Perry |
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On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 05:55:11PM +0000, d wrote:
He's probably one of those people who thinks because HE never needs a particular service, no one else ever will either. And for people like my blind mother, there will still be staff available to help her buy a ticket. I say good riddance to ticket offices, despite my own mother not being able to use the machines, provided that they still provide some way of dealing with Oyster errors at stations. -- David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Planckton: n, the smallest possible living thing |
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On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 02:37:29PM -0000, Peter Masson wrote:
Sounds like a bit of a hassle after arriving at Heathrow jetlagged, and wanting your right to free travel. To want something you first have to know it exists. Most tourists won't know, so it doesn't matter. Those who do know will know through either having done their research or through being told about it by someone else who has, so again, it doesn't matter. -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic THIS IS THE LANGUAGE POLICE PUT DOWN YOUR THESAURUS STEP AWAY FROM THE CLICHE |
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On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 03:39:18PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:04:59 +0000, David Cantrell wrote: I wonder how they're going to cope with Oyster problems - the only thing I use a tube ticket office for these days. eg, sorting out things like "This card has stopped working, please give me a new one and transfer my balance". And of course "I don't want this card any more, give me back the balance and my deposit please" 1 could be done online or at a ticket machine If the ticket barriers couldn't read the card, I'd assume that a ticket machine couldn't either. No idea what they did in the ticket office. Online isn't an option if it stops working mid-journey. Which is what happened. Even after the ticket office replaced the card and transferred the balance, it still forgot about my daily cap, BTW. again just needs a process and the software. 2 could up to a certain level be done by a machine, or at the proposed 5ish tourist centres, or by posting it in and receiving a refund by BACS. Ignore the tourist centres, they're inconvenient for almost everyone (not for me, as it happens, because these days I travel through Victoria most days, but that's by the by). Perhaps TfL have finally realised that they've been shafting people in south London for ages and have finally decided that to be fair they should shaft everyone :-) Posting it? Ha. Posting something that feels like a credit card. -- David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information Do not be afraid of cooking, as your ingredients will know and misbehave -- Fergus Henderson |
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:19:01 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote: And for people like my blind mother, there will still be staff available to help her buy a ticket. It is probably more economically sound that she travels free than that there is a ticket office there for her. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:19:01 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote: I say good riddance to ticket offices, despite my own mother not being able to use the machines, provided that they still provide some way of dealing with Oyster errors at stations. I saw a proposal to remove some of them, e. g. by doing away with unresolved journeys and instead working out what the journey most likely was, e. g. using derails of the previous one, presumably giving benefit of the doubt where there are multiple possibilities. You could flag up obvious taking of the mick by requiring intervention where there are an excessive number of such journeys compared with average. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:23:37 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote: To want something you first have to know it exists. Most tourists won't know, so it doesn't matter. Those who do know will know through either having done their research or through being told about it by someone else who has, so again, it doesn't matter. Or you say that such an Oyster can be issued at a machine provided it is accompanied, if checked, by a valid passport. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:36:22 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote: If the ticket barriers couldn't read the card, I'd assume that a ticket machine couldn't either. No idea what they did in the ticket office. Online isn't an option if it stops working mid-journey. Which is what happened. Get a new one, refund retrospectively by post? Even after the ticket office replaced the card and transferred the balance, it still forgot about my daily cap, BTW. That's odd. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:31:00 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: But is it allowed to process a contactless transaction offline? Floor limits are decided by the retailer, but the retailer does this at their own risk. Fairly sure this is completely independent of what means of verification is used (Pin, signature, contact less or cardholder not present) . Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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