In article , (Martin J) wrote:

The sign above the abandoned ticket
office window read 'Southern' and the sign outside on street level
read 'London and South Western Railway'.

I hope you're not suggesting these should be ripped out and replaced
with "South West Trains" (until the franchise changes). There's no harm
in a bit of history being retained.

That's not saying the station should not be refurbished!

--
Peter Beale

The sign above the abandoned ticket
office window read 'Southern' and the sign outside on street level
read 'London and South Western Railway'.

I hope you're not suggesting these should be ripped out and replaced
with "South West Trains" (until the franchise changes). There's no harm
in a bit of history being retained.

That's not saying the station should not be refurbished!

Or, even worse, replaced with an ugly new facile logo I have seen defacing
stations around London: "Overground Network". I have to confess, the first few
times I saw this ugly"ON" logo I thought it was an advert for a new mobile
'phone company (e.g. "Orange Network")!

"Overground Network" - just how stupid do the operators (whoever they happen to
be this week, as opposed to last week and next week) think we are. And, they
are spening MONEY on this idiocy!

Marc.

"Mait001" wrote in message
...

"Overground Network" - just how stupid do the operators (whoever they
happen to
be this week, as opposed to last week and next week) think we are. And,
they
are spening MONEY on this idiocy!

Except that ON is actually a TfL initiative that has been foisted upon the
train operators in some parts of the capital.

"Overground Network" - just how stupid do the operators (whoever they
happen to
be this week, as opposed to last week and next week) think we are. And,
they
are spening MONEY on this idiocy!

Except that ON is actually a TfL initiative that has been foisted upon the
train operators in some parts of the capital.


In which case, even more idiotic, and another legacy of the fools that vote for
having a Mayor of London and all the munificence that this has brought.

Are we, passengers (sorry, customers) so stupid as to be unable to distinguish
between the Underground and overground?!

Marc.

In message , Mait001
writes
[..]
Are we, passengers (sorry, customers) so stupid as to be unable to distinguish
between the Underground and overground?!

In some cases, yes!
(Seeing that much of the Underground is over ground)
--
Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no.

Mait001 wrote:

Are we, passengers (sorry, customers) so stupid as to be unable to
distinguish between the Underground and overground?!


Regrettably, in many cases, yes.

There are people who still think that BR is running the national railway
network.

Mait001 wrote:

Are we, passengers (sorry, customers) so stupid as to be unable to
distinguish between the Underground and overground?!


Regrettably, in many cases, yes.

There are people who still think that BR is running the national railway
network.


Just how does a sign stating "Overground Network" which does not, as far as I
can see exist as an entity, help that situation then?

Marc.

Mait001 wrote:
Mait001 wrote:

Are we, passengers (sorry, customers) so stupid as to be unable to
distinguish between the Underground and overground?!


Regrettably, in many cases, yes.

There are people who still think that BR is running the national
railway network.


Just how does a sign stating "Overground Network" which does not, as
far as I can see exist as an entity, help that situation then?


Dunno, but obviously someone does.

"Mait001" wrote in message
...

There are people who still think that BR
is running the national railway network.


Just how does a sign stating "Overground Network"
which does not, as far as I can see exist as an entity,
help that situation then?

It is normal for any elected body which funds anything to erect a sign
bearing its logo. ON has been used by the Mayor as a sort of logo, so the
purpose of the sign is to let people know that their gratitude for
improvements should not go to the SRA or SWT but to the Mayor. This is
important when people are deciding whether to re-elect him.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

In message , Mait001
writes

Are we, passengers (sorry, customers) so stupid as to be unable to distinguish
between the Underground and overground?!

ON (the Overground Network) doesn't refer to the whole of the train
system that is above ground.

It is a specific network of high-frequency, metro-style services with an
off-peak frequency of at least four trains an hour. Currently it is
being piloted on four South-London routes (including our local Richmond
line).

To some extent yes, it is a marketing exercise, but the ON also includes
better passenger information, station security and upgraded station
facilities - all welcome improvements.

--
Paul Terry