This is mainly out of interest now because I don't anticipate doing it
much more but I've recently been doing Z1 to Watford Junction using PAYG
with a gold card registered in the peak time but against the main flow
(i.e. out of London in the morning and into London in the evening)

On the way out in the morning I've been doing:

Z1-Euston Square on a second PAYG card 2.20
Euston to Watford Junction on my main PAYG card 3:10

Doing it all on my main PAYG card cost me 8.90

The return journey, Watford Junction to Z1 costs 3.95 on my main PAYG
card even though the Z1 underground bit is done in the peak hours.


This isn't a huge deal except that one morning as I sat down on the tube
I realized I had my main card in my hand and my second card in my pocket
and I wasn't sure I'd used the right one at the barrier. (I had, I'd
touched in and then put it in my pocket while holding the other card in
my other hand.) It would be nice if there was a way to force this break
of journey without the risk of using the wrong card somewhere and ending
up with two incomplete journeys.

One possibility would be to walk from KX to Euston instead of Euston
Square, however that can be quite a slow journey as the pavements aren't
very wide compared to the number of people who use them, many wheeling
large bags to or from St Pancras.


As an aside, I thought using oyster was supposed to guarantee the
cheapest journey. Even without the gold card, doing my journey on two
cards is 6.90.


Tim.




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In message , at
21:05:16 on Mon, 14 Jul 2014, Tim Woodall
remarked:
Z1-Euston Square on a second PAYG card 2.20
Euston to Watford Junction on my main PAYG card 3:10

Doing it all on my main PAYG card cost me 8.90
....
As an aside, I thought using oyster was supposed to guarantee the
cheapest journey. Even without the gold card, doing my journey on two
cards is 6.90.

All they say is that using Oyster is cheaper than either:

*a* paper ticket (probably some form of Travelcard) that would have
enabled all your journeys that day.

a series of paper singles.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at
21:05:16 on Mon, 14 Jul 2014, Tim Woodall
remarked:
Z1-Euston Square on a second PAYG card 2.20
Euston to Watford Junction on my main PAYG card 3:10

Doing it all on my main PAYG card cost me 8.90
...
As an aside, I thought using oyster was supposed to guarantee the
cheapest journey. Even without the gold card, doing my journey on two
cards is 6.90.

All they say is that using Oyster is cheaper than either:

*a* paper ticket (probably some form of Travelcard) that would have
enabled all your journeys that day.

a series of paper singles.

and it's particularly bad at penalising you if you make a single peak
journey, only capping you at the peak cap instead of peak cap plus single
fare for peak journey.

It even does this if the peak journey is a bus journey that has no concept
of differential fares for TOD (and might even be considered as "free" if you
exceed the bus cap for the day).

(I have no experience of it actually doing this, the above has come from
reading the explanations, very very carefully)

tim

In article ,
(tim.....) wrote:

and it's particularly bad at penalising you if you make a single peak
journey, only capping you at the peak cap instead of peak cap plus
single fare for peak journey.

It even does this if the peak journey is a bus journey that has no
concept of differential fares for TOD (and might even be considered
as "free" if you exceed the bus cap for the day).

(I have no experience of it actually doing this, the above has come
from reading the explanations, very very carefully)

I thought it would cap at off-peak cap plus single peak fare?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 03:26:01
on Tue, 15 Jul 2014, remarked:
and it's particularly bad at penalising you if you make a single peak
journey, only capping you at the peak cap instead of

off?

peak cap plus single fare for peak journey.

It even does this if the peak journey is a bus journey that has no
concept of differential fares for TOD (and might even be considered
as "free" if you exceed the bus cap for the day).

(I have no experience of it actually doing this, the above has come
from reading the explanations, very very carefully)

I thought it would cap at off-peak cap plus single peak fare?

I think that's what Tim is saying it doesn't do.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
03:26:01 on Tue, 15 Jul 2014, remarked:
and it's particularly bad at penalising you if you make a single peak
journey, only capping you at the peak cap instead of

off?

My guess too.

peak cap plus single fare for peak journey.

It even does this if the peak journey is a bus journey that has no
concept of differential fares for TOD (and might even be considered
as "free" if you exceed the bus cap for the day).

(I have no experience of it actually doing this, the above has come
from reading the explanations, very very carefully)

I thought it would cap at off-peak cap plus single peak fare?

I think that's what Tim is saying it doesn't do.

That's why I was puzzled. I'm sure I read that that should happen.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
21:05:16 on Mon, 14 Jul 2014, Tim Woodall
remarked:
Z1-Euston Square on a second PAYG card 2.20
Euston to Watford Junction on my main PAYG card 3:10

Doing it all on my main PAYG card cost me 8.90
...
As an aside, I thought using oyster was supposed to guarantee the
cheapest journey. Even without the gold card, doing my journey on two
cards is 6.90.

All they say is that using Oyster is cheaper than either:

*a* paper ticket (probably some form of Travelcard) that would have
enabled all your journeys that day.

a series of paper singles.

A lie of course. if I want cheap travel around London I invariably do better
with a paper travelcard.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 03:10:14 -0500,
wrote:

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

All they say is that using Oyster is cheaper than either:

*a* paper ticket (probably some form of Travelcard) that would have
enabled all your journeys that day.

a series of paper singles.

A lie of course. if I want cheap travel around London I invariably do better
with a paper travelcard.

A lie?

See
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-pay.../price-capping

"Capping compared to Travelcards

If you make several rail journeys or a mixture of rail, bus and tram
journeys in one day, daily capping is usually better value than buying
a Day Travelcard.

Compare these daily caps and Day Travelcards (at adult rate):
Journeys in:
Peak Off-peak
Cap Travelcard
Cap Travelcard
Zones 1-2
£8.40 £9.00 £7.00 £8.90*
Zones 1-4
£10.60 £11.40 £7.70 £8.90*
Zones 1-6
£15.80 £17.00 £8.50 £8.90
Zones 1-9
£19.60 £21.00 £11.60 £12.50

* You can only buy an Off-Peak Day Travelcard for Zones 1-6 or 1-9. If
you're only travelling in Zones 1-4, capping will be better value"

So it seems to me that it is always cheaper on Oyster. No lie. I
wonder why they only claim "usually"?

Richard.

In message , at 22:28:09 on
Wed, 16 Jul 2014, Richard remarked:
All they say is that using Oyster is cheaper than either:

*a* paper ticket (probably some form of Travelcard) that would have
enabled all your journeys that day.

a series of paper singles.

A lie of course. if I want cheap travel around London I invariably do better
with a paper travelcard.

A lie?

See
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-pay.../price-capping

"Capping compared to Travelcards

If you make several rail journeys or a mixture of rail, bus and tram
journeys in one day, daily capping is usually better value than buying
a Day Travelcard.

Note it says "a" Travelcard.

It might be cheaper for example to buy a 1-4 Peak travelcard plus one
4-5 off-peak single, than the cost of a 1-6 peak cap (if your journey
fitted that travel pattern).

Compare these daily caps and Day Travelcards (at adult rate):
Journeys in:
Peak Off-peak
Cap Travelcard
Cap Travelcard
Zones 1-2
£8.40 £9.00 £7.00 £8.90*
Zones 1-4
£10.60 £11.40 £7.70 £8.90*
Zones 1-6
£15.80 £17.00 £8.50 £8.90
Zones 1-9
£19.60 £21.00 £11.60 £12.50

* You can only buy an Off-Peak Day Travelcard for Zones 1-6 or 1-9. If
you're only travelling in Zones 1-4, capping will be better value"

So it seems to me that it is always cheaper on Oyster. No lie. I
wonder why they only claim "usually"?

How about an outboundary travelcard (whose uplift varies, admittedly),
especially if bought with a railcard?
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 22:28:09
on Wed, 16 Jul 2014, Richard remarked:
All they say is that using Oyster is cheaper than either:

*a* paper ticket (probably some form of Travelcard) that would
have enabled all your journeys that day.

a series of paper singles.

A lie of course. if I want cheap travel around London I invariably do
better with a paper travelcard.

A lie?

See

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-pay.../price-capping

"Capping compared to Travelcards

If you make several rail journeys or a mixture of rail, bus and tram
journeys in one day, daily capping is usually better value than buying
a Day Travelcard.

Note it says "a" Travelcard.

It might be cheaper for example to buy a 1-4 Peak travelcard plus one
4-5 off-peak single, than the cost of a 1-6 peak cap (if your journey
fitted that travel pattern).

Compare these daily caps and Day Travelcards (at adult rate):
Journeys in:
Peak Off-peak
Cap Travelcard
Cap Travelcard
Zones 1-2
£8.40 £9.00 £7.00 £8.90*
Zones 1-4
£10.60 £11.40 £7.70 £8.90*
Zones 1-6
£15.80 £17.00 £8.50 £8.90
Zones 1-9
£19.60 £21.00 £11.60 £12.50

* You can only buy an Off-Peak Day Travelcard for Zones 1-6 or 1-9. If
you're only travelling in Zones 1-4, capping will be better value"

So it seems to me that it is always cheaper on Oyster. No lie. I
wonder why they only claim "usually"?

How about an outboundary travelcard (whose uplift varies,
admittedly), especially if bought with a railcard?

Another complication is that some but not all railcards can be registered on
Oyster cards and therefore gain the discounts.

--
Colin Rosenstiel