Oyster to Ebbsfleet?
 

There are calls from the newly set-up Ebbsfleet Urban Development Corporation to extend Oyster coverage to Ebbsfleet.

In the Standard,

http://www.standard.co.uk/business/m...internalSearch

"One priority will be to forge a tram link between the station and Bluewater shopping centre. Another is to extend the current Oyster card system out to Ebbsfleet and provide cheaper fares for the 17-minute ride to St Pancras."

Oyster to Ebbsfleet?
 

In message , at
07:36:16 on Fri, 8 Aug 2014, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
There are calls from the newly set-up Ebbsfleet Urban Development
Corporation to extend Oyster coverage to Ebbsfleet.

In the Standard,

http://www.standard.co.uk/business/m...roperty-a-seco
nd-bite-at-the-cherry-in-this-garden-9653549.html?origin=internalSearch

"One priority will be to forge a tram link between the station and
Bluewater shopping centre. Another is to extend the current Oyster card
system out to Ebbsfleet

Extending Oyster to HS1 between St Pancras and Stratford would be a
start!

and provide cheaper fares for the 17-minute ride to St Pancras."

Do they mean "and *thus* provide cheaper fares", or is it a separate
wishlist item? It's a bit hopeful for them to expect the HS1 premium to
disappear quite so soon.
--
Roland Perry

Oyster to Ebbsfleet?
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at
07:36:16 on Fri, 8 Aug 2014, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
There are calls from the newly set-up Ebbsfleet Urban Development
Corporation to extend Oyster coverage to Ebbsfleet.

In the Standard,

http://www.standard.co.uk/business/m...roperty-a-seco
nd-bite-at-the-cherry-in-this-garden-9653549.html?origin=internalSearch

"One priority will be to forge a tram link between the station and
Bluewater shopping centre. Another is to extend the current Oyster card
system out to Ebbsfleet

Extending Oyster to HS1 between St Pancras and Stratford would be a start!

Thy specifically don't want you to use HS1 for this journey so it will never
happen

tim

Oyster to Ebbsfleet?
 

"Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message
...

There are calls from the newly set-up Ebbsfleet Urban Development
Corporation to extend Oyster coverage to Ebbsfleet.

In the Standard,

http://www.standard.co.uk/business/m...internalSearch

"One priority will be to forge a tram link between the station and
Bluewater shopping centre. Another is to extend the current Oyster card
system out to Ebbsfleet and provide cheaper fares for the 17-minute ride
to St Pancras."

The plan is to extend Fastrack (buses largely on dedicated roads and bus
lanes) to the new development. Fastrack already links Ebbsfleet
International ad Bluewater.
http://www.go-fastrack.co.uk/video.html

Peter

Oyster to Ebbsfleet?
 

In message , at 16:59:49 on Fri, 8 Aug
2014, tim..... remarked:
"One priority will be to forge a tram link between the station and
Bluewater shopping centre. Another is to extend the current Oyster
card system out to Ebbsfleet

Extending Oyster to HS1 between St Pancras and Stratford would be a start!

Thy specifically don't want you to use HS1 for this journey so it will
never happen

Even more so for Ebbsfleet I'd have thought. There's a ten quid premium
on the Anytime fare for using HS1.
--
Roland Perry

Oyster to Ebbsfleet?
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 16:59:49 on Fri, 8 Aug
2014, tim..... remarked:
"One priority will be to forge a tram link between the station and
Bluewater shopping centre. Another is to extend the current Oyster card
system out to Ebbsfleet

Extending Oyster to HS1 between St Pancras and Stratford would be a
start!

Thy specifically don't want you to use HS1 for this journey so it will
never happen

Even more so for Ebbsfleet I'd have thought. There's a ten quid premium on
the Anytime fare for using HS1.

I agree that the premium to EF is a bit too high, but it can't be to price
people off the HS service

there is no other alternative way of getting there

tim

Oyster to Ebbsfleet?
 

In message , at 09:58:50 on Sat, 9 Aug
2014, tim..... remarked:
"One priority will be to forge a tram link between the station and
Bluewater shopping centre. Another is to extend the current Oyster
card system out to Ebbsfleet

Extending Oyster to HS1 between St Pancras and Stratford would be a
start!

Thy specifically don't want you to use HS1 for this journey so it
will never happen

Even more so for Ebbsfleet I'd have thought. There's a ten quid
premium on the Anytime fare for using HS1.

I agree that the premium to EF is a bit too high, but it can't be to
price people off the HS service

there is no other alternative way of getting there

At the moment it's just a car park. The same differential applies to
nearby Gravesend (and similar stations into Kent), which do have other
ways of getting there.
--
Roland Perry

Oyster to Ebbsfleet?
 

I would think that the first place they would want to set up
Oyster/Contactless outside of the zones is Brighton.

- Close enough to London, and yet not that close

- High passenger volumes during the week and at the weekend.

- A lot of people who live in Brighton commute into London

- Brighton also has the moniker: "London by the Sea."

Oyster to Ebbsfleet?
 

In message , at 14:45:22 on Sat, 9 Aug 2014,
" remarked:

I would think that the first place they would want to set up
Oyster/Contactless outside of the zones is Brighton.

It's one of the places that Southern's "the Key" ITSO card supports. The
problems at the moment are at the London end, and finishing the much
delayed[1] 'ITSO on Prestige' project.

I don't know what the first place outside the zones was (there are a few
now). Brentwood/Shenfield perhaps [Jan 2013]? Assuming we don't count
Watford Junction.

- Close enough to London, and yet not that close

- High passenger volumes during the week and at the weekend.

- A lot of people who live in Brighton commute into London

- Brighton also has the moniker: "London by the Sea."

[1] ATOC in October 2010:

"ATOC is co-ordinating train company input into this exercise and
it is hoped that by the end of 2012, all TfL and National Rail
Oyster readers will be able to accept ITSO based Travelcards along
with Oyster and magnetic stripe tickets."

Does this qualify as vapourware?? Paging Mr Corfield!
--
Roland Perry

Oyster to Ebbsfleet?
 

In message , at 18:24:48 on
Sat, 9 Aug 2014, Paul Corfield remarked:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 15:23:53 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

[1] ATOC in October 2010:

"ATOC is co-ordinating train company input into this exercise and
it is hoped that by the end of 2012, all TfL and National Rail
Oyster readers will be able to accept ITSO based Travelcards along
with Oyster and magnetic stripe tickets."

Does this qualify as vapourware?? Paging Mr Corfield!

Not sure why I am being paged. You're in charge of vapourware.

I was wondering if you agreed this time (a project with a waaaay too
optimistic deadline announced).

You keep quoting quotes by others.

They are all people deeply involved in the project, saying when it'll be
ready.

I'm not the least bit surprised that
there have been delays to this stuff - it's complex involved stuff
with probably far, far too many people involved but that's government
for you. The last thing anyone needs is for this sort of technology
to go spectacularly wrong when being used by the public. This will
make people risk averse.

The fact is that the Dft sponsored project to modify the TfL estate to
read ITSO cards has been completed. It was delayed for a number of
reasons including the DfT changing their requirements. As has been
mentioned many times this info was in the public domain via updates in
TfL's quarterly investment reports. The thing that is delaying actual
"switch on" is the need to conclude a commercial agreement with each
TOC before their ITSO cards can be accepted. Again this isn't new
news.

Hmm, four years and counting there. So is it Hip Hip Hooray to the
engineers for getting the gates ready first?

ps I'm not sure what's so complicated about negotiations to allow TOCs
who are already selling paper Travelcards load onto an ITSO card they
already issue[1]. Isn't it TfL who have the "agree" to accept them (and
if money is involved in loading them, which way is it flowing?)

[1] SWT, Southern and EMT at the moment, I suppose.
--
Roland Perry