On 19/05/2015 21:17, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 20:49:39 on Tue, 19 May
2015, Mizter T remarked:
Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps
can be replaced just in time.

So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for people
heading to work that morning and wanting to check the map.

Oh Mr P, you do like to pick a fight where there isn't one.

None of the services are changing, just the operators.

No timetable changes, or fares?


Given the summer timetable has just commenced (17 May), there won't be
any timetable changes.

Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and presumably the
TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL rate rather than the NR
rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning the red bits on the West Anglia
and GEML on this map will turn green:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/pay-as-you-go-tarrifs-national-rail.pdf

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 19/05/2015 21:17, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 20:49:39 on Tue, 19 May
2015, Mizter T remarked:
Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online
maps can be replaced just in time.

So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for people
heading to work that morning and wanting to check the map.

Oh Mr P, you do like to pick a fight where there isn't one.

None of the services are changing, just the operators.

No timetable changes, or fares?

Given the summer timetable has just commenced (17 May), there won't
be any timetable changes.

Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and presumably
the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL rate rather than
the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning the red bits on the
West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn green:


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...arrifs-nationa
l-rail.pdf

Not the Lea valley line, surely?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 20/05/2015 01:12, wrote:

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:
[snip]
Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and presumably
the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL rate rather than
the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning the red bits on the
West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn green:


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/pay-as-you-go-tarrifs-national-rail.pdf

Not the Lea valley line, surely?

Sorry, I was being a bit slapdash, you're absolutely correct - the Lea
Valley line and its stations stay with Greater Anglia.

So no improvements for Angel Rd station on the cards...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dgeezer/6953361031/

wrote:

In article , (Mizter
T) wrote:

On 19/05/2015 21:17, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 20:49:39 on Tue, 19
May 2015, Mizter T remarked:
Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place;
online maps can be replaced just in time.

So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for
people heading to work that morning and wanting to check the
map.

Oh Mr P, you do like to pick a fight where there isn't one.

None of the services are changing, just the operators.

No timetable changes, or fares?

Given the summer timetable has just commenced (17 May), there won't
be any timetable changes.

Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and
presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL
rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning
the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn
green:



http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...arrifs-nationa
l-rail.pdf

Not the Lea valley line, surely?

I think if you move one line onto the TfL fare scale, you have to move
them all as there is no way to tell which line a journey from
Cheshunt/Broxbourne to Liverpool Street has used.

Peter Smyth

On 20/05/2015 23:42, Peter Smyth wrote:

wrote:

In article ,
(Mizter T) wrote:
[...]
Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and
presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL
rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning
the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn
green:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/pay-as-you-go-tarrifs-national-rail.pdf

Not the Lea valley line, surely?

I think if you move one line onto the TfL fare scale, you have to move
them all as there is no way to tell which line a journey from
Cheshunt/Broxbourne to Liverpool Street has used.

Yes, of course - it's obvious once you think about it!

I see that Paul C has posted a link to a TfL release states the Lea
Valley line will move across to the TfL fare scale as well, which is the
simplest solution to this issue (apart from introducing a unified fare
scale... don't hold your breath!). I guess there's some sort of
commercial agreement underlying this between TfL and the franchisee (AGA).

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 20/05/2015 23:42, Peter Smyth wrote:

wrote:

In article ,
(Mizter T) wrote:
[...]
Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and
presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL
rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning
the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn
green:




http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...arrifs-nationa
l-rail.pdf

Not the Lea valley line, surely?

I think if you move one line onto the TfL fare scale, you have to move
them all as there is no way to tell which line a journey from
Cheshunt/Broxbourne to Liverpool Street has used.

Yes, of course - it's obvious once you think about it!

I see that Paul C has posted a link to a TfL release states the Lea
Valley line will move across to the TfL fare scale as well, which is
the simplest solution to this issue (apart from introducing a unified
fare scale... don't hold your breath!). I guess there's some sort of
commercial agreement underlying this between TfL and the franchisee
(AGA).

Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think
of any.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 16:30:39
on Thu, 21 May 2015, remarked:
Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think
of any.

Services to Stansted Airport, Cambridge[1], Southend, Chelmsford and
beyond on the main line.

[1] Extended to the Fen Line at peaks.
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Roland Perry

I just looked at the timetable for the Cheshunt/Chingford lines,

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...e-may-2015.pdf

and during the repeating sections (all day Saturday and Sunday and bits
on weekdays), there are 8 tph between Liverpool Street and Hackney
Downs, with alternating 1 minute and 14 minute gaps in either direction
at Hackney Downs!

The line map is also crap... it uses a dagger to show that trains to and
from Chingford do not call at London Fields or Cambridge Heath, instead
of just drawing separate lines interchanging at Hackney Downs, like this
http://www.londonbusblinds.com/prodi...tan%20Line.jpg

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
16:30:39 on Thu, 21 May 2015, remarked:
Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't
think of any.

Services to Stansted Airport, Cambridge[1], Southend, Chelmsford and
beyond on the main line.

[1] Extended to the Fen Line at peaks.

How many of them are in Greater London?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Thu, 21 May 2015 16:30:39 -0500,
wrote:

Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't
think of any.

It will stll serve Stratford and Romford on the Great Eastern.

Peak time Hertford East services continue to run semi fast via Seven
Sisters and Southbury. They will also run all services via T Hale and
from Stratford on the Lea Valley Main Line - there are several
stations within Greater London on that route.

I hadn't spotted those earlier, so they are definitely a few.

When / if we get the STAR services from Stratford to Angel Road then I
expect they will be with Greater Anglia as things stand. No mention
yet of TfL wanting to run those services.

STAR?

--
Colin Rosenstiel