wrote:

In article , (Mizter
T) wrote:

On 19/05/2015 21:17, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 20:49:39 on Tue, 19
May 2015, Mizter T remarked:
Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place;
online maps can be replaced just in time.

So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for
people heading to work that morning and wanting to check the
map.

Oh Mr P, you do like to pick a fight where there isn't one.

None of the services are changing, just the operators.

No timetable changes, or fares?

Given the summer timetable has just commenced (17 May), there won't
be any timetable changes.

Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and
presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL
rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning
the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn
green:



http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...arrifs-nationa
l-rail.pdf

Not the Lea valley line, surely?

I think if you move one line onto the TfL fare scale, you have to move
them all as there is no way to tell which line a journey from
Cheshunt/Broxbourne to Liverpool Street has used.

Peter Smyth

On 20/05/2015 23:42, Peter Smyth wrote:

wrote:

In article ,
(Mizter T) wrote:
[...]
Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and
presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL
rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning
the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn
green:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/pay-as-you-go-tarrifs-national-rail.pdf

Not the Lea valley line, surely?

I think if you move one line onto the TfL fare scale, you have to move
them all as there is no way to tell which line a journey from
Cheshunt/Broxbourne to Liverpool Street has used.

Yes, of course - it's obvious once you think about it!

I see that Paul C has posted a link to a TfL release states the Lea
Valley line will move across to the TfL fare scale as well, which is the
simplest solution to this issue (apart from introducing a unified fare
scale... don't hold your breath!). I guess there's some sort of
commercial agreement underlying this between TfL and the franchisee (AGA).

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 20/05/2015 23:42, Peter Smyth wrote:

wrote:

In article ,
(Mizter T) wrote:
[...]
Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and
presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL
rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning
the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn
green:




http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...arrifs-nationa
l-rail.pdf

Not the Lea valley line, surely?

I think if you move one line onto the TfL fare scale, you have to move
them all as there is no way to tell which line a journey from
Cheshunt/Broxbourne to Liverpool Street has used.

Yes, of course - it's obvious once you think about it!

I see that Paul C has posted a link to a TfL release states the Lea
Valley line will move across to the TfL fare scale as well, which is
the simplest solution to this issue (apart from introducing a unified
fare scale... don't hold your breath!). I guess there's some sort of
commercial agreement underlying this between TfL and the franchisee
(AGA).

Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think
of any.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 16:30:39
on Thu, 21 May 2015, remarked:
Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think
of any.

Services to Stansted Airport, Cambridge[1], Southend, Chelmsford and
beyond on the main line.

[1] Extended to the Fen Line at peaks.
--
Roland Perry

I just looked at the timetable for the Cheshunt/Chingford lines,

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...e-may-2015.pdf

and during the repeating sections (all day Saturday and Sunday and bits
on weekdays), there are 8 tph between Liverpool Street and Hackney
Downs, with alternating 1 minute and 14 minute gaps in either direction
at Hackney Downs!

The line map is also crap... it uses a dagger to show that trains to and
from Chingford do not call at London Fields or Cambridge Heath, instead
of just drawing separate lines interchanging at Hackney Downs, like this
http://www.londonbusblinds.com/prodi...tan%20Line.jpg

Basil Jet wrote:


I just looked at the timetable for the Cheshunt/Chingford lines,


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...e-may-2015.pdf

and during the repeating sections (all day Saturday and Sunday and
bits on weekdays), there are 8 tph between Liverpool Street and
Hackney Downs, with alternating 1 minute and 14 minute gaps in either
direction at Hackney Downs!

The line map is also crap... it uses a dagger to show that trains to
and from Chingford do not call at London Fields or Cambridge Heath,
instead of just drawing separate lines interchanging at Hackney
Downs, like this

http://www.londonbusblinds.com/prodi...tan%20Line.jpg

The problem is if you spread out the slow trains more evenly, they will
get in the way of the fast trains to Stansted/Cambridge. Short of
building extra tracks between Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green, I
don't think there is any easy answer to this problem.

Peter Smyth

On 22/05/2015 19:37, Peter Smyth wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:

I just looked at the timetable for the Cheshunt/Chingford lines,

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...e-may-2015.pdf

and during the repeating sections (all day Saturday and Sunday and
bits on weekdays), there are 8 tph between Liverpool Street and
Hackney Downs, with alternating 1 minute and 14 minute gaps in either
direction at Hackney Downs!

The line map is also crap... it uses a dagger to show that trains to
and from Chingford do not call at London Fields or Cambridge Heath,
instead of just drawing separate lines interchanging at Hackney
Downs, like this

http://www.londonbusblinds.com/prodi...tan%20Line.jpg

The problem is if you spread out the slow trains more evenly, they will
get in the way of the fast trains to Stansted/Cambridge. Short of
building extra tracks between Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green, I
don't think there is any easy answer to this problem.

Agreed. And even if one wanted to build an extra pair of tracks, there
just isn't any space really.

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
16:30:39 on Thu, 21 May 2015, remarked:
Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't
think of any.

Services to Stansted Airport, Cambridge[1], Southend, Chelmsford and
beyond on the main line.

[1] Extended to the Fen Line at peaks.

How many of them are in Greater London?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 20:17:15
on Fri, 22 May 2015, remarked:

Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't
think of any.

Services to Stansted Airport, Cambridge[1], Southend, Chelmsford and
beyond on the main line.

[1] Extended to the Fen Line at peaks.

How many of them are in Greater London?

They all have one end in Greater London.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
20:17:15 on Fri, 22 May 2015, remarked:

Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't
think of any.

Services to Stansted Airport, Cambridge[1], Southend, Chelmsford and
beyond on the main line.

[1] Extended to the Fen Line at peaks.

How many of them are in Greater London?

They all have one end in Greater London.

We are not discussing lines with just "one end in Greater London" but lines
which are mostly in Greater London.

--
Colin Rosenstiel