In today's Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...tfl-overground


E.

On 29/05/2015 13:18, eastender wrote:
In today's Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...tfl-overground


I'm in little doubt these transfers will be success stories - the
to-be-Crossrail Shenfield route is inevitable, but I'm thinking
particularly of the West Anglia metro routes.

It might not be quite the 'immediate overnight success story' that the
NLL transfer was - I think in significant part the immediate passenger
figure jump on the NLL was down to lots of existing users actually
starting to pay their fares! But since then the numbers have of course
continued to rise considerably.

Good luck to TfL Rail, LOROL and MTR Crossrail.

Mizter T wrote:
On 29/05/2015 13:18, eastender wrote:
In today's Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...tfl-overground


I'm in little doubt these transfers will be success stories - the
to-be-Crossrail Shenfield route is inevitable, but I'm thinking
particularly of the West Anglia metro routes.

It might not be quite the 'immediate overnight success story' that the
NLL transfer was - I think in significant part the immediate passenger
figure jump on the NLL was down to lots of existing users actually
starting to pay their fares! But since then the numbers have of course
continued to rise considerably.

Good luck to TfL Rail, LOROL and MTR Crossrail.

Many of the same factors should apply: much better revenue protection,
safer stations encouraging more off-peak travel, cleaner (if not yet newer)
trains more inviting, etc.

On 29/05/2015 16:04, Recliner wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
On 29/05/2015 13:18, eastender wrote:
In today's Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...tfl-overground

I'm in little doubt these transfers will be success stories - the
to-be-Crossrail Shenfield route is inevitable, but I'm thinking
particularly of the West Anglia metro routes.

It might not be quite the 'immediate overnight success story' that the
NLL transfer was - I think in significant part the immediate passenger
figure jump on the NLL was down to lots of existing users actually
starting to pay their fares! But since then the numbers have of course
continued to rise considerably.

Good luck to TfL Rail, LOROL and MTR Crossrail.

Many of the same factors should apply: much better revenue protection,
safer stations encouraging more off-peak travel, cleaner (if not yet newer)
trains more inviting, etc.


Agreed. My feeling is that it might take a bit longer for (real)
patronage to grow (thinking more of the WA routes here). Despite -
rather than because of - Silverlink and their minimal efforts (arguably
in large part structural), the NLL - and the WLL - were increasingly
popular routes before the LO takeover. People were using it despite the
wholly decrepit nature of it all.

Mizter T wrote:
It might not be quite the 'immediate overnight success story' that the
NLL transfer was - I think in significant part the immediate passenger
figure jump on the NLL was down to lots of existing users actually
starting to pay their fares!

Yes! I have fond memories of the number of people making u-turns with
grumpy faces on the rare days tickets were being checked - fond as the
chances of a seat were much higher.

But since then the numbers have of course
continued to rise considerably.

Population growth must have helped: 20 to 30 percent growth since 2007
in several East London boroughs.
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

On 29.05.15 15:59, Mizter T wrote:

On 29/05/2015 13:18, eastender wrote:
In today's Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...tfl-overground



I'm in little doubt these transfers will be success stories - the
to-be-Crossrail Shenfield route is inevitable, but I'm thinking
particularly of the West Anglia metro routes.

It might not be quite the 'immediate overnight success story' that the
NLL transfer was - I think in significant part the immediate passenger
figure jump on the NLL was down to lots of existing users actually
starting to pay their fares! But since then the numbers have of course
continued to rise considerably.

Good luck to TfL Rail, LOROL and MTR Crossrail.

I hope that they do last a while. The amount of changes in TOCs on the
Lea Valley Lines has made me lose track.

It reminds me of an episode of the U.S. animated sitcom "The Simpsons,"
called "Blame it on Lisa."

The Simpson family had received an unexpectedly large phone bill, and
Marge said that she would go staighten it out at the phone company's
office.

Find the dialogue below, which I think is quite apt when discussing TOCs
on LVL.

"We'll just go down to the phone company and straighten it out."

Which phone company? There are hundreds of them.

"And they all keep changing their names."

"I think we're with Comquaaq."

"No, I think its Niagular."

"No, last week they became Vertiqual."

On 29/05/2015 19:29, wrote:

On 29.05.15 15:59, Mizter T wrote:
[snip]
Good luck to TfL Rail, LOROL and MTR Crossrail.

I hope that they do last a while. The amount of changes in TOCs on the
Lea Valley Lines has made me lose track.

The devolution of responsibility for these routes to TfL is essentially
permanent (or at least for the foreseeable future).

TfL can change the concessionaire chosen to run the routes though, but
the public face of the service wouldn't change (think DLR - was operated
by Serco until December 2014, now it's run by Keolis/Amey).

The West Anglia metro routes are being rolled into the overall London
Overground concession operated by LOROL, which after an extension now
lasts until November 2016. They might well win a new contract to
continue operating it of course.

Not sure when MTR Crossrail's concession lasts until.

On 30.05.15 0:12, Mizter T wrote:

On 29/05/2015 19:29, wrote:

On 29.05.15 15:59, Mizter T wrote:
[snip]
Good luck to TfL Rail, LOROL and MTR Crossrail.

I hope that they do last a while. The amount of changes in TOCs on the
Lea Valley Lines has made me lose track.

The devolution of responsibility for these routes to TfL is essentially
permanent (or at least for the foreseeable future).

TfL can change the concessionaire chosen to run the routes though, but
the public face of the service wouldn't change (think DLR - was operated
by Serco until December 2014, now it's run by Keolis/Amey).

The West Anglia metro routes are being rolled into the overall London
Overground concession operated by LOROL, which after an extension now
lasts until November 2016. They might well win a new contract to
continue operating it of course.

It almost reminds me of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority in New
York City or RATP in Paris.

In message , at 00:12:24 on Sat, 30 May
2015, Mizter T remarked:

Not sure when MTR Crossrail's concession lasts until.

It's eight years, starting tomorrow with the Shenfield (aka TfL Rail)
services. The first ones to be branded Crossrail will be running from
May 2018 and the full route won't start until "late 2019", so that's
four years of introductory work and just four years with the finished
product.
--
Roland Perry

On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 12:12:27 AM UTC+1, Mizter T wrote:
Not sure when MTR Crossrail's concession lasts until.

Sometime in 2023 http://www.railwaycodes.org.uk/operators/franchises.shtm.

PhilD

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