On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:42:25 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 18/06/2015 13:35, y wrote:
So the overpaid button pushers will be out again on the 8th of July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33180965


Of course most Tube strikes don't actually happen.

Of course not, TfL generally bends over and takes it giving in to most of their
idiotic demands instead of finding a pair of balls and standing up to them.
IMO its time for a showdown - a few weeks of tube strikes would be worth it for
nailing these 2 unions out to dry permanently.

--
Spud

David Walters:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:47:40 +0000 (UTC), y
wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:46:10 +0100
David Walters wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 12:35:20 +0000 (UTC), y
wrote:
So the overpaid button pushers will be out again on the 8th of
July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33180965

"Aslef, which represents around 70% of drivers, said LU was trying
to force
through new rosters which would mean drivers worked unlimited hours
"

Really? Thats unlikely because it would be illegal. FUD from a
union, who'd
have thought it.

The ASLEF press release at
http://www.aslef.org.uk/information/...trike_action_o
_tube/
reads slightly differently:

"ASLEF members on London Underground have voted overwhelmingly for
strike
action in a dispute over the company's decision to try to force
through,
without negotiation, new rosters which would mean Tube drivers will
have
to work an unlimited number of weekend and night shifts for no extra
pay."

Well if that is true - and I doubt it - the job contract apparently
allows it
so tough. They should have read the small print before they signed.

My understanding is the job contract doesn't allow it. But the same
contract also doesn't mandate a payrise. There is a new contract on
offer
which requires more weekend and night shifts in exchange for a
payrise. I
assume ASLEF think their members should get a cost of living increase
regardless.

If the company would forget additional payments as a one off £750 in
total and give half of it as a pay rise so it means something for only
getting one weekend off in 6 maybe then the strike could have been
avoided instead of imposing a change of work patterns. They are changing
the contract that every driver singed not the unions.

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"tim....." wrote:
"David Walters" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 12:35:20 +0000 (UTC), y
wrote:
So the overpaid button pushers will be out again on the 8th of July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33180965

"Aslef, which represents around 70% of drivers, said LU was trying to
force
through new rosters which would mean drivers worked unlimited hours "

Really? Thats unlikely because it would be illegal. FUD from a union,
who'd
have thought it.

The ASLEF press release at
http://www.aslef.org.uk/information/...ction_on_tube/
reads slightly differently:

"ASLEF members on London Underground have voted overwhelmingly for
strike
action in a dispute over the company’s decision to try to force through,
without negotiation, new rosters which would mean Tube drivers will have
to work an unlimited number of weekend and night shifts for no extra
pay."

presumably that worded to mean:

work an unlimited number of weekend/night shifts without being paid for
them.

when the realty is:

work an unlimited number of weekend/nights instead of the same number of
weekday shifts

what's the problem here. There isn't an unlimited number of weekend
days in a year and if you don't share them out "fairly" there will be
no-one working the weekday shifts

I wonder, do they get paid more for "unsocial hours" shifts, or are they
on
fixed salaries for fixed hours, which can include a proportion of shifts
at
any time?

Presumably that is the point

TfL are (perhaps) asking them to work nights as part of a standard shift
with no unsociable hours payments

and if that is the complaint I am sure that most people would have sympathy
with the view that it is wrong for an employer to expect this.

So ISTM there is no need to the union to exaggerate their complaint by using
weasel works that imply they are being asked to work extrta hours without
being paid at all

And then, I see no reason why this dispute has to be resolved by a threat of
strike action.

In a collective bargaining agreement [1] an employer cannot force changes in
working terms and conditions upon staff without their agreement. All the
employee's representative have to do is say "no we aren't going to agree to
a change in our contracts to work "nights" unless there is suitable
compensation for doing so" and the employer is snookered

tim

[1] You can't theoretically do it in any worker/employer relationship, but
it much easier for workers to be "persuaded" if there isn't a union in the
way

On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 08:19:27 +0000 (UTC), y wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:42:25 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 18/06/2015 13:35, y wrote:
So the overpaid button pushers will be out again on the 8th of July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33180965


Of course most Tube strikes don't actually happen.

Of course not, TfL generally bends over and takes it giving in to most of their
idiotic demands instead of finding a pair of balls and standing up to them.
IMO its time for a showdown - a few weeks of tube strikes would be worth it for
nailing these 2 unions out to dry permanently.

What's the latest on driverless trains?

Scott wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 08:19:27 +0000 (UTC), y wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:42:25 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 18/06/2015 13:35, y wrote:
So the overpaid button pushers will be out again on the 8th of July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33180965


Of course most Tube strikes don't actually happen.

Of course not, TfL generally bends over and takes it giving in to most of their
idiotic demands instead of finding a pair of balls and standing up to them.
IMO its time for a showdown - a few weeks of tube strikes would be worth it for
nailing these 2 unions out to dry permanently.

What's the latest on driverless trains?

Nothing new. Future tube trains will still always be manned in passenger
service, even if the attendant isn't necessarily sitting in a cab at the
front (the trains may drive themselves unmanned in ECS mode). And whatever
the attendant's normal role, they will still be able to drive the trains in
manual mode should that be necessary, just as on the DLR. So if the
'customer service manager', or whatever they choose to call them, goes on
strike, the train won't run.