Does anyone agree with me that Chiltern Services should be made 'Pick Up
Only' on services to Aylesbury and 'Drop Off Only' on services to London. I
am tired of people who are crowding up services on Chiltern because they
don't want to travel with LU.
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Does anyone agree with me that Chiltern Services should be made 'Pick Up
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am tired of people who are crowding up services on Chiltern because they
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So when the doors open exactly how are you going to stop people on the
platform boarding the train or getting off?

Bouncers on the platform? Hold people at the gates? Staff manning every
door?

Get real.
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So when the doors open exactly how are you going to stop people on the
platform boarding the train or getting off?
Bouncers on the platform? Hold people at the gates? Staff manning every
door?

Actually many other TOCs like Virgin have done it in the past, and still do
it. Trains will be announced as 'Not stopping'
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So when the doors open exactly how are you going to stop people on the
platform boarding the train or getting off?
Bouncers on the platform? Hold people at the gates? Staff manning every
door?

Actually many other TOCs like Virgin have done it in the past, and still
do
it. Trains will be announced as 'Not stopping'

In the morning and evening peaks there is now good reason to need to run
Chiltern services non-stop, at least between Amersham and Marylebone, to
achieve maximum revenue per passenger and to provide a reasonable travelling
environment to those passengers. Bear in mind that north of Amersham 100% of
the revenue goes to Chiltern, from the LUL stations only a proportion (fixed
by the annual passenger survey) goes into Chiltern's pockets. Therefore it
is in their interests to fill the train with non-LUL passengers at peak
times.

Unfortunately, Chiltern are required to provide as many services from each
station (including LUL stations) as they did pre-privatisation. There is no
capacity to run much in the way of additional services, so their hands are
tied and passengers travelling via the Metropolitan will have to continue to
put up with trains wedged full by LUL passengers (sometimes to the detriment
of full-fare passengers travelling to Chiltern destinations) unless the SRA
can be convinced that the current agreement is out of date and does not
benefit current passenger trends.

In the morning and evening peaks there is now good reason to need to run
Chiltern services non-stop, at least between Amersham and Marylebone, to
achieve maximum revenue per passenger and to provide a reasonable
travelling
environment to those passengers. Bear in mind that north of Amersham 100%
of
the revenue goes to Chiltern, from the LUL stations only a proportion
(fixed
by the annual passenger survey) goes into Chiltern's pockets. Therefore it
is in their interests to fill the train with non-LUL passengers at peak
times.

Not just in the Peaks, I travelled on the 10 35 (or whatever it is) and it
was wedged, like normal, after Amersham

Unfortunately, Chiltern are required to provide as many services from each
station (including LUL stations) as they did pre-privatisation. There is
no
capacity to run much in the way of additional services, so their hands are
tied and passengers travelling via the Metropolitan will have to continue
to
put up with trains wedged full by LUL passengers (sometimes to the
detriment
of full-fare passengers travelling to Chiltern destinations) unless the
SRA
can be convinced that the current agreement is out of date and does not
benefit current passenger trends.

Which exactly is the problem. The removal of stops at Moor Park a few years
back made it slightly better, but it has got noticabley worce recently,
especially since the Congestion charge and the stupid signallers @
Marylebone who run a train in front of one that is about to leave and send a
4-car train into a platform that only has room for 2
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Bear in mind that north of Amersham 100% of
the revenue goes to Chiltern, from the LUL stations only a proportion (fixed
by the annual passenger survey) goes into Chiltern's pockets.

Can you please tell me when this came into effect?

I understand that Chiltern get free access to LU 'metals' in return for
no passenger revenue from LU stations.
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"Andrew P Smith" wrote in message
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In article , Jack Taylor
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Bear in mind that north of Amersham 100% of
the revenue goes to Chiltern, from the LUL stations only a proportion
(fixed
by the annual passenger survey) goes into Chiltern's pockets.

Can you please tell me when this came into effect?

I understand that Chiltern get free access to LU 'metals' in return for
no passenger revenue from LU stations.

Interesting! That was always my understanding until you or someone else on
this group corrected me last year, insisting that I was wrong and that a
payment was made based upon the annual passenger survey! If Chiltern are not
making anything out of LUL passengers (as I previously understood that they
didn't) then there is even more reason for removing stops from LUL stations
for the benefit of the greater number of revenue-earning passengers from
Amersham and beyond.

"Jack Taylor" wrote:

Bear in mind that north of Amersham 100% of the revenue goes to Chiltern,
from the LUL stations only a proportion (fixed by the annual passenger
survey) goes into Chiltern's pockets. Therefore it is in their interests
to fill the train with non-LUL passengers at peak times.

Rubbish. Assuming that an annual passenger survey is indeed used, then it
will apportion the revenue from Amersham (and south thereof) between
Chiltern and LUL on the basis of how many passengers use each operators'
trains.

So, while Chiltern only pocket a proportion of the fares paid by passengers
using *their* trains from the shared stations, they *also* pocket a
proportion of the fares paid by passengers using *LUL* trains from those
stations. That proportion is set so that it is equivalent to Chiltern
getting 100% of the fares from passengers using their trains, but 0% of the
revenue from those using LUL trains - using the "swings and roundabouts"
principle.

So, it is *not* necessarily in Chiltern's interests to fill their trains
with "non-LUL" passengers.



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"Jack Taylor" wrote:

Bear in mind that north of Amersham 100% of the revenue goes to
Chiltern,
from the LUL stations only a proportion (fixed by the annual passenger
survey) goes into Chiltern's pockets. Therefore it is in their interests
to fill the train with non-LUL passengers at peak times.

Rubbish.

Try reading the follow-ups before going into an apoplectic rant.

In article , Joe
writes

Actually many other TOCs like Virgin have done it in the past, and still do
it. Trains will be announced as 'Not stopping'

OK, so if it's non stopping how will the people get off? You could hold
people at the barriers but if the gate line isn't manned then it won't
happen.

I've not seen the gate line manned at Amersham expect for the AM peak.

What about people already on the platform?

Not really workable is it?
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