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October 24th 15, 08:53 AM
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On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:44:15 -0500,
wrote: In article , (e27002 aurora) wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:32:15 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:53:44 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: I travelled on the Gospel Oak - Barking line earlier in the week, and was annoyed by the fact that half of one of the windows was taken up by a panel of some sort. Later I realised that this was an electronic destination display, facing outward. Why is it on the window, when they have a whole train to put it on? And why is it so big? The text display is only a few inches tall, but the panel holding it literally occupies half of the window. I later saw the same thing on the Caterham line and on the East London Line, so sacrificing half a window for a few inches of display seems to be the norm now. Do train designers even know what windows are for? The internal design of modern trains leaves a lot to be desired, whether its what you mentioned, needlessly thick interior panels using up space, a lack of handrails for standing passengers, door bleepers that would wake the dead and deafen anyone standing next to them and seats that are too narrow for anyone larger than Kate Moss proportions. Strange thing: In the early days of passenger travel by rail folks travelled in discomfort. Those were the days of wooden bench seats and no heating. As time passed passenger comfort increased. By WWII trains had sprung seats, heating, you name it. This lasted until the 1980s. Now we seem to be regressing. Passenger comfort is taking a back seat (no pun intended). At some point usere going to have to refuse to accept the quality of the travelling experience. Seats? Luxury! I remember them. Nowadays we have to stand. And this surprises you! For four decades the railways were run down under nationalization. A third of the network was closed. Remaining track layouts were simplified, and train lengths reduced. Since the poorly thought thru privatization, passengers have been flocking back to the railway. 1997 thru 2010 the UK endured a socialist government that invested little in the railways. Conversely they encouraged immigration of unqualified low skilled labour. This caused a population increase mainly in the London area. We now have a government which for all of its many faults is trying to come to grips with these issues. We are already seeing great improvement. But, these things will take time. New routes are being built. And, new rolling stock is on order. |
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October 24th 15, 09:05 AM
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e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:44:15 -0500, wrote: In article , (e27002 aurora) wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:32:15 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:53:44 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: I travelled on the Gospel Oak - Barking line earlier in the week, and was annoyed by the fact that half of one of the windows was taken up by a panel of some sort. Later I realised that this was an electronic destination display, facing outward. Why is it on the window, when they have a whole train to put it on? And why is it so big? The text display is only a few inches tall, but the panel holding it literally occupies half of the window. I later saw the same thing on the Caterham line and on the East London Line, so sacrificing half a window for a few inches of display seems to be the norm now. Do train designers even know what windows are for? The internal design of modern trains leaves a lot to be desired, whether its what you mentioned, needlessly thick interior panels using up space, a lack of handrails for standing passengers, door bleepers that would wake the dead and deafen anyone standing next to them and seats that are too narrow for anyone larger than Kate Moss proportions. Strange thing: In the early days of passenger travel by rail folks travelled in discomfort. Those were the days of wooden bench seats and no heating. As time passed passenger comfort increased. By WWII trains had sprung seats, heating, you name it. This lasted until the 1980s. Now we seem to be regressing. Passenger comfort is taking a back seat (no pun intended). At some point usere going to have to refuse to accept the quality of the travelling experience. Seats? Luxury! I remember them. Nowadays we have to stand. And this surprises you! For four decades the railways were run down under nationalization. A third of the network was closed. Remaining track layouts were simplified, and train lengths reduced. Since the poorly thought thru privatization, passengers have been flocking back to the railway. 1997 thru 2010 the UK endured a socialist government that invested little in the railways. In a system run by private enterprise, surely it should have been the private companies (Railtrack, the TOCs, the ROSCOs) that should have invested in the railways? But the private companies have frequently got it wrong, such as not foreseeing that increases in frequency would also increase demand (e.g. Virgin Cross Country and TransPennine when they acquired new trains). -- Jeremy Double |
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October 24th 15, 09:23 AM
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On 24 Oct 2015 09:05:46 GMT, Jeremy Double
wrote: e27002 aurora wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:44:15 -0500, wrote: In article , (e27002 aurora) wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:32:15 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:53:44 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: I travelled on the Gospel Oak - Barking line earlier in the week, and was annoyed by the fact that half of one of the windows was taken up by a panel of some sort. Later I realised that this was an electronic destination display, facing outward. Why is it on the window, when they have a whole train to put it on? And why is it so big? The text display is only a few inches tall, but the panel holding it literally occupies half of the window. I later saw the same thing on the Caterham line and on the East London Line, so sacrificing half a window for a few inches of display seems to be the norm now. Do train designers even know what windows are for? The internal design of modern trains leaves a lot to be desired, whether its what you mentioned, needlessly thick interior panels using up space, a lack of handrails for standing passengers, door bleepers that would wake the dead and deafen anyone standing next to them and seats that are too narrow for anyone larger than Kate Moss proportions. Strange thing: In the early days of passenger travel by rail folks travelled in discomfort. Those were the days of wooden bench seats and no heating. As time passed passenger comfort increased. By WWII trains had sprung seats, heating, you name it. This lasted until the 1980s. Now we seem to be regressing. Passenger comfort is taking a back seat (no pun intended). At some point usere going to have to refuse to accept the quality of the travelling experience. Seats? Luxury! I remember them. Nowadays we have to stand. And this surprises you! For four decades the railways were run down under nationalization. A third of the network was closed. Remaining track layouts were simplified, and train lengths reduced. Since the poorly thought thru privatization, passengers have been flocking back to the railway. 1997 thru 2010 the UK endured a socialist government that invested little in the railways. In a system run by private enterprise, surely it should have been the private companies (Railtrack, the TOCs, the ROSCOs) that should have invested in the railways? Transportation (cue the parish language police) is an essential service. In a sense the state as a whole is the customer. But the private companies have frequently got it wrong, such as not foreseeing that increases in frequency would also increase demand (e.g. Virgin Cross Country and TransPennine when they acquired new trains). Companies are far from infallible. Also keep in mind that issues like rolling stock renewal are being micromanaged from Whitehall. Our civil servants certainly can have a role in determining the level of service required. But trains bought in the market place by the ROSCO's may have given a more economic fleet than the IEPs. That said, I am optimistic that Hitachi are producing a good product. |
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