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November 19th 15, 08:22 AM
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East London Line poorly patronised now
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:29:03 +0000
eastender wrote: On 2015-11-18 18:48:13 +0000, e27002 aurora said: On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: I took the ELL from Highbury this morning for the first time in about 6 months. Even after the obligatory 7 minute wait for the train to leave it was still only a 3rd full in the middle of the morning rush hour. Compared to last time I used it this is virtually empty. I can only assume the poor service frequency and slow journey times (25 mins to do the 4 miles to canada water this morning) have put people off as they did me. What a waste of an asset. This is sad to hear. The Overground has such great potential. But, the speed on its routes are excruciatingly slow. Surely all that investment should allow for a more sprightly system. They can seem slow especially between stations close together but they are main line not underground trains. Even so, there's still no excuse for the **** poor service speeds. I've been in a 378 when the driver was obviously running late and they can get up and go when they need to. The trains arn't at fault - the drivers are. Also quite why the drivers feel they need to creep into every station at 10mph beats me quite frankly. The ELL needs ATO and fast. -- Spud |
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November 19th 15, 11:30 AM
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:18:09 -0600
wrote: In article , d () wrote: Even so, there's still no excuse for the **** poor service speeds. I've been in a 378 when the driver was obviously running late and they can get up and go when they need to. The trains arn't at fault - the drivers are. Also quite why the drivers feel they need to creep into every station at 10mph beats me quite frankly. The ELL needs ATO and fast. Are you suggesting the drivers set the timetables? That's what they have to drive the trains to. So perhaps you are pointing the finger in the wrong direction? I imagine there's a certain amount of leaway built into the timetable to allow for the idiotic decision to link it into the southern network with all the vaguaries of the trains there. And I get the feeling the drivers use that leaway to the max. They really do drive dog slow a lot of the time. It really should have been kept as a self contained tube line with a once every 2 min service from highbury to new cross(gate) with better interchange facilities at the 2 southern stations. -- Spud |
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November 19th 15, 11:44 AM
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In article , d () wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:18:09 -0600 wrote: In article , d () wrote: Even so, there's still no excuse for the **** poor service speeds. I've been in a 378 when the driver was obviously running late and they can get up and go when they need to. The trains arn't at fault - the drivers are. Also quite why the drivers feel they need to creep into every station at 10mph beats me quite frankly. The ELL needs ATO and fast. Are you suggesting the drivers set the timetables? That's what they have to drive the trains to. So perhaps you are pointing the finger in the wrong direction? I imagine there's a certain amount of leaway built into the timetable to allow for the idiotic decision to link it into the southern network with all the vaguaries of the trains there. And I get the feeling the drivers use that leaway to the max. They really do drive dog slow a lot of the time. It really should have been kept as a self contained tube line with a once every 2 min service from highbury to new cross(gate) with better interchange facilities at the 2 southern stations. An alternative view is that eventually we will have to grasp the nettle of getting the Southern brought up to metro standards. So we might as well start somewhere and that is where we are. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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November 19th 15, 01:55 PM
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November 19th 15, 10:11 PM
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On 2015\11\19 14:55, d wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:44:38 -0600 wrote: An alternative view is that eventually we will have to grasp the nettle of getting the Southern brought up to metro standards. So we might as well start somewhere and that is where we are. I can't see how thats possible. The network is just too complex. LU can't even manage to make the northern line reliable with 2 junctions! What hope for the south london 3rd rail system. I wonder if you can do the South London 3rd rail network in a day, and if anyone's ever done it? Or even in 2 days? |
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November 20th 15, 01:08 AM
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wrote: On 2015\11\19 14:55, d wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:44:38 -0600 wrote: An alternative view is that eventually we will have to grasp the nettle of getting the Southern brought up to metro standards. So we might as well start somewhere and that is where we are. I can't see how thats possible. The network is just too complex. LU can't even manage to make the northern line reliable with 2 junctions! What hope for the south london 3rd rail system. I wonder if you can do the South London 3rd rail network in a day, and if anyone's ever done it? Or even in 2 days? I seem to remember doing an awful lot of it on a railtour once! -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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November 20th 15, 01:00 AM
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In article , d () wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:44:38 -0600 wrote: An alternative view is that eventually we will have to grasp the nettle of getting the Southern brought up to metro standards. So we might as well start somewhere and that is where we are. I can't see how thats possible. The network is just too complex. LU can't even manage to make the northern line reliable with 2 junctions! What hope for the south london 3rd rail system. I didn't say it wasn't a challenge! But then Crossrail 2 is addressing some of the issues. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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