Robin9 wrote:

Roland Perry;155153 Wrote:
In message , at 19:06:35 on Sun, 24
Apr 2016, Robin9 remarked:
--
if someone threatened to ticket them they could claim they are waiting
for a customer and that they are allowed ?20 minutes for that.-

In Pancras Road - the road that runs between Kings Cross
and St. Pancras stations - the waiting time allowed is three
minutes, if I recall correctly.-

I have never heard of any such a restriction, but will be there tomorrow

and will check.
--
Roland Perry

It's some time since I've been there, but on the St. Pancras
Station side, there were small signs attached to lamp posts
saying that three minutes was the maximum waiting period. My
guess is they're still there.

I just looked on Google Streetview.

The signs limit parking to 2 minutes, with no return within 40 minutes. The
restriction is in force 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Vehicles also
cannot be left unattended.

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:04:05
on Sun, 24 Apr 2016, remarked:

Not always so, actually. In a case I dealt with as a member of the
Cambridge licensing committee, one hire car driver caught plying for
hire was driving for a firm that also had hackneys so insured all its
vehicles for both plying for both uses. This is much more unlikely in
London where there isn't the cross-over in fleets that there s in
Cambridge.
...

In a case where drivers caught plying for hire were brought before
councillors for their licences to be considered at least one had not been
prosecuted for not having insurance on the grounds I gave. I can't give you
more details but the driver was operating for the largest local operator.

That'll be on account of them having a fleet policy, which is precisely
what Uber doesn't. Each driver has to source his own insurance (that's
for being a minicab, not plying for hire). This arrangement doesn't
scale well and the black cab activists claim that TfL is simply unable
to police whether or not the hugely increased number of sole trader
drivers are insured or not.

I wonder if there's scope for Uber being held responsible for the insurance
of any ride booked through it? So, if one of its drivers turned out not to
have valid insurance, Uber would be forced to settle any claims. That way,
it might be a lot more careful about checking its drivers' insurance.

In message , at 06:49:02 on Mon, 25
Apr 2016, Robin9 remarked:
In Pancras Road - the road that runs between Kings Cross
and St. Pancras stations - the waiting time allowed is three
minutes, if I recall correctly.-

I have never heard of any such a restriction, but will be there tomorrow


and will check.

It's some time since I've been there, but on the St. Pancras
Station side, there were small signs attached to lamp posts
saying that three minutes was the maximum waiting period. My
guess is they're still there.


I wonder what law allows this unique restriction?

--
Roland Perry

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 08:51:40 on Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Recliner
remarked:

I wonder if there's scope for Uber being held responsible for the insurance
of any ride booked through it? So, if one of its drivers turned out not to
have valid insurance, Uber would be forced to settle any claims. That way,
it might be a lot more careful about checking its drivers' insurance.

They'd probably play the "ISP card" - we are just an ecommerce booking
service, and not responsible for things going wrong. The same way ISPs
escape liability when their customers do illegal things.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-sept
ember.org, at 08:51:40 on Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Recliner
remarked:

I wonder if there's scope for Uber being held responsible for the insurance
of any ride booked through it? So, if one of its drivers turned out not to
have valid insurance, Uber would be forced to settle any claims. That way,
it might be a lot more careful about checking its drivers' insurance.

They'd probably play the "ISP card" - we are just an ecommerce booking
service, and not responsible for things going wrong. The same way ISPs
escape liability when their customers do illegal things.

They probably would try that, but it might take a test case to establish
liability. After all, Uber operates much more than a booking service: it
sets prices, handles all the fare collection, runs the driver and passenger
rating service, signs up or drops drivers, etc. Its involvement is greater
than Amazon's with its marketplace sellers, or eBay, and they both provide
a level of guarantee that Uber ducks.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 06:49:02 +0200, Robin9
wrote:


Roland Perry;155153 Wrote:
In message , at 19:06:35 on Sun, 24
Apr 2016, Robin9 remarked:
--
if someone threatened to ticket them they could claim they are waiting
for a customer and that they are allowed ?20 minutes for that.-

In Pancras Road - the road that runs between Kings Cross
and St. Pancras stations - the waiting time allowed is three
minutes, if I recall correctly.-

I have never heard of any such a restriction, but will be there tomorrow

and will check.
--
Roland Perry

It's some time since I've been there, but on the St. Pancras
Station side, there were small signs attached to lamp posts
saying that three minutes was the maximum waiting period. My
guess is they're still there.

See
https://goo.gl/maps/ryAhonsVDix
or

In message , at 11:25:30 on
Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Recliner remarked:
In Pancras Road - the road that runs between Kings Cross
and St. Pancras stations - the waiting time allowed is three
minutes, if I recall correctly.-

I have never heard of any such a restriction, but will be there tomorrow
and will check.

It's some time since I've been there, but on the St. Pancras
Station side, there were small signs attached to lamp posts
saying that three minutes was the maximum waiting period. My
guess is they're still there.

See
https://goo.gl/maps/ryAhonsVDix
or


Unfortunately that looks like a Parking restriction, not a Waiting
restriction.

I don't think you can have a session-limited "No Waiting" sign.
--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:57:28 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:25:30 on
Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Recliner remarked:
In Pancras Road - the road that runs between Kings Cross
and St. Pancras stations - the waiting time allowed is three
minutes, if I recall correctly.-

I have never heard of any such a restriction, but will be there tomorrow
and will check.

It's some time since I've been there, but on the St. Pancras
Station side, there were small signs attached to lamp posts
saying that three minutes was the maximum waiting period. My
guess is they're still there.

See
https://goo.gl/maps/ryAhonsVDix
or


Unfortunately that looks like a Parking restriction, not a Waiting
restriction.

I don't think you can have a session-limited "No Waiting" sign.

As no unattended parking is allowed by the Police, what's the
difference between a Waiting and a Parking restriction?

In message , at 13:16:28 on
Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Recliner remarked:

Unfortunately that looks like a Parking restriction, not a Waiting
restriction.

I don't think you can have a session-limited "No Waiting" sign.

As no unattended parking is allowed by the Police, what's the
difference between a Waiting and a Parking restriction?

That's not a compulsory sign, though. And the whole problem is that the
police *don't* enforce anything in practice.
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 06:13:47PM +0100, JNugent wrote:

There's always been a good case for the advance booking period for a
so-called "private hire car" to be at least twenty-four hours.

No there hasn't.

Imagine, for example, that you are in an industrial estate in Peckham.
There are no black cabs cruising the industrial estate looking for
passengers.

How do you get home?

--
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You can't judge a book by its cover, unless you're a religious nutcase