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On 2016-05-16 07:26:01 +0000, Someone Somewhere said:

On 15/05/2016 10:55, eastender wrote:
On 2016-05-15 06:59:59 +0000, Roland Perry said:

In message , at 17:41:56 on Sat, 14 May
2016, tim... remarked:

I don't think that, not giving a list of all modes with applicable
manufacturing dates (as, for example, the German equivalent site
does) is "opaque".

This is one occasion where a lookup by numberplate would be appropriate.

Although I've not had a lot of luck with such searches recently.
According to the gadget in Halfords last week my car only has rear
wiper blades (I wanted front) and only has headlight bulbs (I wanted a
brake light).


I had better luck in Eurocarparts in Wapping the other day for wipers
and some bulbs - the counter guy left his post to go look at our car and
didn't trust what his computer said....


Slightly off topic, but is that branch of Eurocarparts really in
Wapping? It's north of the Highway and closer to Limehouse station
than anywhere else...


Yes, it's nearer to Limehouse. They say it's their Wapping branch though.


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On 16/05/2016 08:25, Robin9 wrote:
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;155773']On 14/05/2016 09:43, Robin9 wrote:
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New mayor Sadiq has announced that he will launch a formal
policy consultation in a matter of weeks on a major package
of measures to tackle air pollution in London.--
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I don't use buses much so I'm ignorant about the routes
and the use of them. I know that numerous buses run along
Oxford Street and clog up that road, but I don't know where
they go to, how heavily they are used and what percentage
of passengers travel right through Oxford Strret and beyond.
So, I have a question for the bus experts here. Is it a feasible
option a) to re-diagram bus routes so that bus journeys begin
and end at Marble Arch or New Oxford Street/St. Giles Circus
so that those buses do not travel along Oxford Street at all,
and b) design a hybrid trolley bus with a small petrol engine,
and run a trolley bus shuttle service along Oxford Street - with
overhead wiring installed of course - using the petrol engine
only to move the bus to and from the bus depot?-

It is always feasible to cange bus routes, but Oxford Street is about a

mile long between St Giles and Marble Arch.

Would it be practical not to have any buses serving it?
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I'd be surprised if TfL operates any buses powered by petrol. It would
be phenomenally expensive.


Why did you change what I typed?

You didn't even mention that a change had been made.

Diesel has been the fuel for larger vehicles since well before WW2.


Now that it's known that diesel engines emit worse pollutants
than petrol engines, TfL's attitude might change.


There is the little matter of cost.

My suggestion was the hybrid trolley bus would use the
petrol engine only when running empty between the bus
depot and the West End. When carrying passengers, it
would run on electricity, thus being far cleaner than the
buses using Oxford Street today.


Why not just run on electricity all the way?
Because to do that, it would be necessary to string up
overhead cables between Oxford Street and the bus depot!
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On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 02:06:16AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2016 10:43:50 +0200, Robin9
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So, I have a question for the bus experts here. Is it a feasible
option a) to re-diagram bus routes so that bus journeys begin
and end at Marble Arch or New Oxford Street/St. Giles Circus
so that those buses do not travel along Oxford Street at all,

Short answer is No to turning hundreds of buses an hour at Marble Arch
and TCR. Existing stands are full. TfL have stated in the past that
you simply cannot do it.


Would you need bus stands? Why not just, eg at the Marble Arch end,
stop at stop C on Hyde Park Place, go round the roundabout then stop
again at stop A and similar for buses coming down Edgware Rd or up Park
Lane?

If you are pedestrianising Oxford St then you won't have any vehicles
in it so discussions about trolleybus shuttles are irrelevant. Also if
you can't turn diesel buses at TCR and Marble Arch how the heck do you
turn a trolleybus shuttle?


By going round the roundabout. At the other end it would have to go
around Centre Point.

Anyway TfL hate trolleybuses and the
notion of fixed infrastructure in the West End despite it being the
right answer (A large tram network would easily clean the air up but
no one will countenance the short term disruption to create it).


Would there be much disruption involved in putting up some poles and
wires? Unlike with trams there's no need to dig the road up to lay
track.

This will also have
considerable ramifications for bus travellers in Zones 2 and 3 who
currently benefit from frequent services that run from Zone 1.


Do many people further out use buses that end up going along Oxford
Street *and out the other end for a substantial distance*? Taking just
one bus stop as an example, stop OM at the junction of Oxford St and
Wardour St is served by 25, 55, 98, N55, N98, and N207.

25 goes from Oxford Circus to some ghastly place in Essex, so doesn't
cross London via Oxford St. Curtailing it at the east end of Oxford St
would have no impact on those people out in zones 2 and 3.

55 goes from Oxford Circus to a different ghastly place in Essex, so
there would be no impact again. Likewise N55.

98 goes from Russell Square via Oxford St to Willesden, so there would
be minimal impact, given that we're going to get one hour tickets soon
allowing a change of bus (I assume that this would cover the
hypothetical Oxford Street shuttle). Likewise N98.

N207 goes from Uxbridge to Bloomsbury Square, so again there would be
very little impact.

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On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 02:06:16AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2016 10:43:50 +0200, Robin9
wrote:
So, I have a question for the bus experts here. Is it a feasible
option a) to re-diagram bus routes so that bus journeys begin
and end at Marble Arch or New Oxford Street/St. Giles Circus
so that those buses do not travel along Oxford Street at all,

Short answer is No to turning hundreds of buses an hour at Marble Arch
and TCR. Existing stands are full. TfL have stated in the past that
you simply cannot do it.


Would you need bus stands? Why not just, eg at the Marble Arch end,
stop at stop C on Hyde Park Place, go round the roundabout then stop
again at stop A and similar for buses coming down Edgware Rd or up Park
Lane?

If you are pedestrianising Oxford St then you won't have any vehicles
in it so discussions about trolleybus shuttles are irrelevant. Also if
you can't turn diesel buses at TCR and Marble Arch how the heck do you
turn a trolleybus shuttle?


By going round the roundabout. At the other end it would have to go
around Centre Point.

Anyway TfL hate trolleybuses and the
notion of fixed infrastructure in the West End despite it being the
right answer (A large tram network would easily clean the air up but
no one will countenance the short term disruption to create it).


Would there be much disruption involved in putting up some poles and
wires? Unlike with trams there's no need to dig the road up to lay
track.

This will also have
considerable ramifications for bus travellers in Zones 2 and 3 who
currently benefit from frequent services that run from Zone 1.


Do many people further out use buses that end up going along Oxford
Street *and out the other end for a substantial distance*? Taking just
one bus stop as an example, stop OM at the junction of Oxford St and
Wardour St is served by 25, 55, 98, N55, N98, and N207.

25 goes from Oxford Circus to some ghastly place in Essex, so doesn't
cross London via Oxford St. Curtailing it at the east end of Oxford St
would have no impact on those people out in zones 2 and 3.

55 goes from Oxford Circus to a different ghastly place in Essex, so
there would be no impact again. Likewise N55.
I believe the 55 goes to Whipps Cross which most certainly
is not some ghastly place in Essex. It's where Leyton,
Walthamstow and Snaresbrook come together at the
southern end of Epping Forest.

At present it's still a pleasant spot. Sadly Waltham Forest
Council plans to ruin it with a mini Holland scheme. They
have already chopped down some splendid trees.


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