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[email protected] · May 26th 16, 01:39 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 03:58:41PM -0000, Recliner wrote:

Former London Assembly Member Val Shawcross has been appointed to Mayor
Sadiq Khan's top team as deputy mayor for transport.

...

Prior to her time at City Hall she served on Croydon council ...

Maybe with a south London transport boss, and a south London mayor,
we'll start to get the same quality of service as the Northerners get.

South London would have to get North London's geology for that, though.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Robin9 · May 26th 16, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Corfield[_2_]

On Wed, 25 May 2016 07:02:02 +0200, Robin9
wrote:

Mizter T;155931 Wrote:

To me, Valerie Shawcross really stood out as an excellent London
Assembly member. I was a bit surprised when I learnt she was stepping
down from the assembly (or more accurately wasn't in the contest for
2016), but I wonder if her becoming a deputy Mayor was always the plan
if Sadiq won. I wish her well in this new role.

Genuine question: In what way was she excellent? I know little
about Val Shawcross but what I do know is not impressive.

She had demanded TfL impose insurance requirements on
minicab firms without first learning the basics of insurance. She
has demanded TfL develop a strategy for the cab trade in
London without recognising that being the regulator of a trade
or industry is not the same as running it. (Does she believe the
DVLA should stipulate what cars are sold in the U K?. Does she
believe the Gaming Commission should influence gamblers as to
which casino they frequent?)

The impression I have formed is that Val Shawcross has an
unoriginal mind and conventional Labour Party prejudices.

Not sure that is entirely fair. I've no issue with you disagreeing
with her conclusions or proposals. I've not always agreed with them
either or I've found some of her criticisms to be "simplistic" which
is what you get from politicians when it suits them.

I do think, though, that she has made a lot of effort to build up her
knowledge on transport matters and I think she has a good rounded
understanding of the main modes in London. This is far more
encouraging than Lord "I rode buses in London for a week so now I'm an
all round expert" Adonis. I've lost count of the times when I've been
utterly exasperated by the nonsense he's spoken / tweeted. All he
wants to do is pour concrete and build totemic schemes. I don't think
he could cope with issues about cycle hire, road surfaces, parking,
ULEZ or bus services. Far too minor for his brain to cope with.

The big issue for Val is that now she has to work with TfL, Government
and the Mayor to make sure things happen. I think she's going to find
that what looked "simple" from the view of a scrutinising politician
is harder when you have to "do". I think she'll have a bit of a
honeymoon from Assembly colleagues but it won't last. The weight of
expectation from the taxi trade, the tube trade unions, cycling
lobbyists etc is enormous. I also suspect she'll be at odds with the
Mayor over things like the Silvertown Tunnel. He clearly thinks it
should be built but I suspect Val doesn't. I assume she will also
have political oversight over the reorganisation of TfL to save money.
That is going to mean job losses in my view (and direct experience) -
seen it umpteen times. A Labour Mayor sacking TfL staff isn't going
to go down well (with some people). Others may, of course, put out
the bunting and have a party.

Let's see how things go and whether she toughs it out over the hard
issues or not.

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Paul C

Thanks for your reply.

I'm certainly willing to give her a chance. (In fact, of course,
I have no choice!) I assume the Mayor discussed his ideas and
priorities with her before giving her the job. More fool him if he
didn't.

Robin9 · May 26th 16, 05:28 AM

Duplicate post. Please ignore.

Recliner[_3_] · May 26th 16, 12:24 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On Wed, 25 May 2016 20:39:34 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 03:58:41PM -0000, Recliner wrote:

Former London Assembly Member Val Shawcross has been appointed to Mayor
Sadiq Khan's top team as deputy mayor for transport.

...

Prior to her time at City Hall she served on Croydon council ...

Maybe with a south London transport boss, and a south London mayor,
we'll start to get the same quality of service as the Northerners get.

South London would have to get North London's geology for that, though.

It's much less of an issue with modern tunneling machines. But the
fact remains that south London is already criss-crossed with a dense
network of surface railways, leaving less need for additional TfL
lines.

[email protected] · May 26th 16, 11:05 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2016 20:39:34 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 03:58:41PM -0000, Recliner wrote:

Former London Assembly Member Val Shawcross has been appointed to
Mayor Sadiq Khan's top team as deputy mayor for transport.

...

Prior to her time at City Hall she served on Croydon council ...

Maybe with a south London transport boss, and a south London mayor,
we'll start to get the same quality of service as the Northerners get.

South London would have to get North London's geology for that, though.

It's much less of an issue with modern tunneling machines. But the
fact remains that south London is already criss-crossed with a dense
network of surface railways, leaving less need for additional TfL lines.

Sort of. It's too complex a network to handle the metro frequency services
required. Read "Turning South London Orange".

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Recliner[_3_] · May 26th 16, 11:31 PM posted to uk.transport.london

wrote:
In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2016 20:39:34 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 03:58:41PM -0000, Recliner wrote:

Former London Assembly Member Val Shawcross has been appointed to
Mayor Sadiq Khan's top team as deputy mayor for transport.

...

Prior to her time at City Hall she served on Croydon council ...

Maybe with a south London transport boss, and a south London mayor,
we'll start to get the same quality of service as the Northerners get.

South London would have to get North London's geology for that, though.

It's much less of an issue with modern tunneling machines. But the
fact remains that south London is already criss-crossed with a dense
network of surface railways, leaving less need for additional TfL lines.

Sort of. It's too complex a network to handle the metro frequency services
required. Read "Turning South London Orange".

Yes, but the solution in most cases is to improve the surface network (with
more grade-separated junctions, etc) than building a network of all-new
deep Tube tunnels.

Robin9 · May 27th 16, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Corfield[_2_]

On Thu, 26 May 2016 07:28:58 +0200, Robin9
wrote:

Duplicate post. Please ignore.

?? - can't see what it is duplicating.

If you would prefer I didn't reply to your posts please just say so.

--
Paul C

You have misunderstood the duplicate post. A glitch either
with my computer or with this website persuaded me that
my post had not gone through, so I sent it again. Within
seconds I found that both - duplicate - posts had been
accepted, so one had to be cancelled.

I didn't find any way to cancel a post so I amended the second.

If I did not want people to respond to my posts, I wouldn't
post in the first place!

[email protected] · May 27th 16, 08:51 AM posted to uk.transport.london

On Thu, 26 May 2016 18:05:52 -0500
wrote:
In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2016 20:39:34 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 03:58:41PM -0000, Recliner wrote:

Former London Assembly Member Val Shawcross has been appointed to
Mayor Sadiq Khan's top team as deputy mayor for transport.

...

Prior to her time at City Hall she served on Croydon council ...

Maybe with a south London transport boss, and a south London mayor,
we'll start to get the same quality of service as the Northerners get.

South London would have to get North London's geology for that, though.

It's much less of an issue with modern tunneling machines. But the
fact remains that south London is already criss-crossed with a dense
network of surface railways, leaving less need for additional TfL lines.

Sort of. It's too complex a network to handle the metro frequency services
required. Read "Turning South London Orange".

Yeah, I don't see that ending well. TfL doesn't currently have a stunning
record on the chingford or enfield lines, can't see how its going to do much
better than Southern if it gets handed all those lines with the same sick
prone and indifferent staff.

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Spud

Basil Jet[_4_] · May 27th 16, 10:00 AM posted to uk.transport.london

On 2016\05\27 09:51, d wrote:

TfL doesn't currently have a stunning
record on the chingford or enfield lines, can't see how its going to do much
better than Southern if it gets handed all those lines with the same sick
prone and indifferent staff.

Sick prone? What do you mean? Are you talking about the existing staff
taken on from the TOC or the new staff employed to enable the increased
staffing levels?

Recliner[_3_] · May 27th 16, 10:04 AM posted to uk.transport.london

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\05\27 09:51, d wrote:

TfL doesn't currently have a stunning
record on the chingford or enfield lines, can't see how its going to do much
better than Southern if it gets handed all those lines with the same sick
prone and indifferent staff.

Sick prone? What do you mean? Are you talking about the existing staff
taken on from the TOC or the new staff employed to enable the increased
staffing levels?

I suspect he's referring to SN's guards who are reported to be suddenly
suffering from a high level of "sickness".

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/upd...d-by-sickness/

As TfL has a DOO policy on all its lines, these sickness-prone guards
presumably won't be needed if their lines are transferred to LO.

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