tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south
london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been
living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just
outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which
carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

It's the increases in service frequency that causes the problem

it takes away the fast paths for the expresses so they have to saunter
through South London behind a stopper all the way

tim

In article , (John Levine)
wrote:

TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into the Overground:



http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...k-very-differe
nt-6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

I note a bunch of arrows at the ends of the various lines, so based on
the text that says they want to take over the various franchises, I
assume we'd have TfL at least as far as Kings Lynn. It would certainly
be handy to pay for my jaunts between Cambridge and Ely with my senior
Oyster.

Not flipping likely! You can go just beyond the edge of Greater London to a
suitable terminal like Welwyn Garden City maybe but no further without
democratic control from the people outside London.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , () wrote:

On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...o-look-very-di
fferent6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official
TfL mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the
south london lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will
give them an easy time because they're a public corp rather than a
TOC has obviously been living in a cave for the last 20 years.

The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just
outside) of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes
which carry main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places
like Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

No, not even Thameslink within Greater London.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you have a
link?

On 22.09.16 20:00, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

wrote:
On 22.09.16 20:00, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 14:45:29 on Fri, 23 Sep 2016, Recliner
remarked:

The London mayor aims to deliver better, more coordinated local
services to local voters.

In the same way he aimed not to raise fares, and within days of taking
office had to retract?
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-sept
ember.org, at 14:45:29 on Fri, 23 Sep 2016, Recliner
remarked:

The London mayor aims to deliver better, more coordinated local
services to local voters.

In the same way he aimed not to raise fares, and within days of taking
office had to retract?

He's delivering exactly what he said he would: a TfL fares freeze. He never
promised to freeze other fares, and has no ability to do so.