On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud

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On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

tim

tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

In article , () wrote:

On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...o-look-very-di
fferent6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official
TfL mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the
south london lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will
give them an easy time because they're a public corp rather than a
TOC has obviously been living in a cave for the last 20 years.

The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just
outside) of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes
which carry main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places
like Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

No, not even Thameslink within Greater London.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:11:43 -0500,
wrote:

In article , () wrote:

On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...o-look-very-di
fferent6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official
TfL mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the
south london lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will
give them an easy time because they're a public corp rather than a
TOC has obviously been living in a cave for the last 20 years.

The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just
outside) of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes
which carry main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places
like Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

No, not even Thameslink within Greater London.

Good.

wrote:
On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you have a
link?

On 22.09.16 20:00, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

wrote:
On 22.09.16 20:00, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:41:48 +0100, "
wrote:

On 22.09.16 20:00, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 22.09.16 16:48, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different
6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an easy
time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been living
in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just outside)
of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes which carry
main line services to the coast

I don't think their vision extends that far. TfL wants to take over the
stopping metro routes that run a little outside the zones (to places like
Dartford), not all the way to the coast.

Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

When the West, North, South, and East London Lines, along with the
Watford DC service transitioned to the London Overground, the change
was so worthwhile.

In the 1960s I first "discovered" the North London line and watched
its painful decline. But, the investment in new infrastructure the
linking up of the North and East London Lines, the improved customer
environment was SO, SO welcome.

And it worked, why not leave it as is. No way can this sort of
investment be afforded for all of London's suburban network, the TOCs
are not doing a bad job for the most part.