Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

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Spud

wrote:
Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

Yes, see the many discussions on the NTfL, some of which you participated
in.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:32:54 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

Yes, see the many discussions on the NTfL, some of which you participated
in.

I was wondering about the state of play now, rather than what tfl promised
X years ago.

--
Spud

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:32:54 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

Yes, see the many discussions on the NTfL, some of which you participated
in.

I was wondering about the state of play now, rather than what tfl promised
X years ago.

According to this report, bids were due to be submitted two days ago:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/business/single-view/view/bombardier-hitachi-joint-venture-to-bid-for-new-tube-for-london.html

Alstom, CAF and Siemens are also bidding.

The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

On 28.09.16 14:07, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:32:54 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

Yes, see the many discussions on the NTfL, some of which you participated
in.

I was wondering about the state of play now, rather than what tfl promised
X years ago.

According to this report, bids were due to be submitted two days ago:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/business/single-view/view/bombardier-hitachi-joint-venture-to-bid-for-new-tube-for-london.html

Alstom, CAF and Siemens are also bidding.

The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

I would think that they would prioritise replacing the 73ts as this is
one of the first things that many people see when arriving into London
via LHR.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:36 +0100, "
wrote:

On 28.09.16 14:07, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:32:54 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

Yes, see the many discussions on the NTfL, some of which you participated
in.

I was wondering about the state of play now, rather than what tfl promised
X years ago.

According to this report, bids were due to be submitted two days ago:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/business/single-view/view/bombardier-hitachi-joint-venture-to-bid-for-new-tube-for-london.html

Alstom, CAF and Siemens are also bidding.

The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

I would think that they would prioritise replacing the 73ts as this is
one of the first things that many people see when arriving into London
via LHR.

Yes, but that's not the reason. The plan is to resignal the Picc for a
more intensive service, which needs the new trains. The Bakerloo line
is relatively quiet (at least till it gets extended), and might even
get quieter when the Met gets to Watford Junction.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:36 +0100
" wrote:
I would think that they would prioritise replacing the 73ts as this is
one of the first things that many people see when arriving into London
via LHR.

Given the hammering they must take both internally and on the running gear with
the large passenger numbers on the long runs out to Heathrow & Uxbridge, the
73 stock are in quite good nick IMHO.

--
Spud

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:07:03 +0100
Recliner wrote:
The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

Wonder if TfL are going for the oldest metro trains in regular public service
in europe, or maybe even the world record?

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Spud

On 2016-09-28 14:08:05 +0000, d said:

Wonder if TfL are going for the oldest metro trains in regular public service
in europe, or maybe even the world record?

The old Hamburg 471/871 units lasted for around 65-70 years before
finally being decommissioned, so they've a way to go.

Neil
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Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:08:05 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:07:03 +0100
Recliner wrote:
The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

Wonder if TfL are going for the oldest metro trains in regular public service
in europe, or maybe even the world record?

They'll have trouble beating the IoW. Several other LU fleets have got
to 50 years, including the 1938 and A stocks. I think the Paris Metro
still has MF67 trains built in the early 1970s.

The Pyongyang Metro uses ex-West Berlin U-Bahn stock dating from
around 1960. It looked clean and in good nick when I travelled on it
in 2013:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57633424928749

However, the two (known) lines are entirely underground, and the train
speeds seemed quite low.