In article ,
(Richard) wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:55:53 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:30:32 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message
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september.org, at 09:08:01 on Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Recliner
remarked:
Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland
for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on.

Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds
buzzing around, and very few cyclists.

Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists.

To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have such
trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to cycle in.

I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705

Never been there but Geneva and Lausanne are both hilly (the latter
having a specialty railway from the shore to the town centre).

Either way, the cyclists in europe seem to cope with bendy buses without
a problem. Its only the cyclists in this country who were determined to
see them banned despite them being a godsend for the disabled and parents
with buggies. Tells you all you need to know about a lot of the self
righteous snowflakes on bikes we have here.

It always seemed to me that the major risk to bikes was from HGVs, and
the bus thing was the imagination of a mayoral candidate who's grasp
of even what his own opinions were was less than firm and would do
anything for election (to be repeated later).

You never cycled amongst them as I did then. Their length made them a
nightmare to cycle around.

We've seen, successfully IMHO, how separating cycle traffic from the
rest can work well, as long as it improves walking routes as well.
This has a bigger positive effect than a minor (thoughtless,
vindictive) change to bus allocation while other drivers carry on as
before.

Yup. I cycled between Blackfriars Bridge and Westminster Bridge both ways
along the Embankment cycleway today. Wish we had such good facilities in
Cambridge.

Double-artics are now in Barcelona as well, an ideal city for a bus
that likes straight roads. They have been removed from... Hamburg,
was it? Switzerland seems to be the best place to see them now.

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:34:32 -0600
wrote:
In article ,
(Richard) wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:55:53 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:30:32 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-
september.org, at 09:08:01 on Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Recliner
remarked:
Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland
for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on.

Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds
buzzing around, and very few cyclists.

Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists.

To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have such
trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to cycle in.

I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705

Never been there but Geneva and Lausanne are both hilly (the latter
having a specialty railway from the shore to the town centre).

Either way, the cyclists in europe seem to cope with bendy buses without
a problem. Its only the cyclists in this country who were determined to
see them banned despite them being a godsend for the disabled and parents
with buggies. Tells you all you need to know about a lot of the self
righteous snowflakes on bikes we have here.

It always seemed to me that the major risk to bikes was from HGVs, and
the bus thing was the imagination of a mayoral candidate who's grasp
of even what his own opinions were was less than firm and would do
anything for election (to be repeated later).

You never cycled amongst them as I did then. Their length made them a
nightmare to cycle around.

So how do you cope with HGVs? If you feel unsafe cycling around a large
vehicle - then don't. Simple.

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Spud

In article , d () wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:34:32 -0600
wrote:
In article ,
(Richard) wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:55:53 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:30:32 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message 982695317.507114532.580857.recliner.ng-btinternet.com@
news.eternal-september.org, at 09:08:01 on Thu, 26 Jan 2017,
Recliner remarked:
Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland
for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on.

Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of
mopeds buzzing around, and very few cyclists.

Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists.

To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have
such trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to
cycle in.

I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705

Never been there but Geneva and Lausanne are both hilly (the latter
having a specialty railway from the shore to the town centre).

Either way, the cyclists in europe seem to cope with bendy buses
without a problem. Its only the cyclists in this country who were
determined to see them banned despite them being a godsend for the
disabled and parents with buggies. Tells you all you need to know
about a lot of the self righteous snowflakes on bikes we have here.

It always seemed to me that the major risk to bikes was from HGVs, and
the bus thing was the imagination of a mayoral candidate who's grasp
of even what his own opinions were was less than firm and would do
anything for election (to be repeated later).

You never cycled amongst them as I did then. Their length made them a
nightmare to cycle around.

So how do you cope with HGVs? If you feel unsafe cycling around a large
vehicle - then don't. Simple.

They aren't as long and there are far fewer in the bits of central London I
tend to cycle in.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 05:47:39 -0600
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:
So how do you cope with HGVs? If you feel unsafe cycling around a large
vehicle - then don't. Simple.

They aren't as long and there are far fewer in the bits of central London I
tend to cycle in.

They're not that much shorter than bendies but they have a far bigger throw
when the trailer goes around the corner so are actually far more dangerous.

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Spud

In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 05:47:39 -0600
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:
So how do you cope with HGVs? If you feel unsafe cycling around a large
vehicle - then don't. Simple.

They aren't as long and there are far fewer in the bits of central London
I tend to cycle in.

They're not that much shorter than bendies but they have a far bigger
throw when the trailer goes around the corner so are actually far more
dangerous.

There are still far fewer of them and they don't keep pulling in to the kerb
for bus stops. I have to say I don't think I come across one between
Liverpool Street and Westminster and back yesterday.

--
Colin Rosenstiel