On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:04:22 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2017\03\31 12:49, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:

Regarding the Overground, you should experience the peculiar DMU on
the GOBLIN before it dissapears.

There's nothing peculiar about the Goblin trains. There are quite a few
other diesel trains in London: in particular, the Uckfield trains to and
from London Bridge, which are not going to be got rid of any time soon,
are very similar to the Goblin trains, although I think they (Class 171)
probably have toilets and the Goblin ones (Class 170) probably don't.

The GOBLIN DMUs are actually class 172s. But I think you're right that
they lack toilets, like other LO stock.

On 2017\03\31 15:09, d wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:04:22 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\03\31 12:49, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:

Regarding the Overground, you should experience the peculiar DMU on
the GOBLIN before it dissapears.

There's nothing peculiar about the Goblin trains. There are quite a few
other diesel trains in London: in particular, the Uckfield trains to and
from London Bridge, which are not going to be got rid of any time soon,

Why on earth don't they just electrify that branch and be done with it. What
on earth is the logic for still running diesel to a london commuter town?

New electrification for passenger trains is close to dead. Fuel cells or
batteries are the future.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:30:04 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\03\31 15:09, d wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:04:22 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\03\31 12:49, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:

Regarding the Overground, you should experience the peculiar DMU on
the GOBLIN before it dissapears.

There's nothing peculiar about the Goblin trains. There are quite a few
other diesel trains in London: in particular, the Uckfield trains to and
from London Bridge, which are not going to be got rid of any time soon,

Why on earth don't they just electrify that branch and be done with it. What
on earth is the logic for still running diesel to a london commuter town?

New electrification for passenger trains is close to dead. Fuel cells or
batteries are the future.

You mean apart from the Goblin and great western schemes happening right now?

--
Spud

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2017\03\31 12:49, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:

Regarding the Overground, you should experience the peculiar DMU on
the GOBLIN before it dissapears.

There's nothing peculiar about the Goblin trains. There are quite a
few other diesel trains in London: in particular, the Uckfield trains
to and from London Bridge, which are not going to be got rid of any
time soon, are very similar to the Goblin trains, although I think
they (Class 171) probably have toilets and the Goblin ones (Class
170) probably don't.

Goblin trains are class 172 not 170. There are other class 172s in service,
with Chiltern and London Midland but those on London Overground have a
unique layout.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:30:04 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\03\31 15:09, d wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:04:22 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\03\31 12:49, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:

Regarding the Overground, you should experience the peculiar DMU on
the GOBLIN before it dissapears.

There's nothing peculiar about the Goblin trains. There are quite a
few other diesel trains in London: in particular, the Uckfield trains
to and from London Bridge, which are not going to be got rid of any
time soon,

Why on earth don't they just electrify that branch and be done with it.
What on earth is the logic for still running diesel to a london
commuter town?

New electrification for passenger trains is close to dead. Fuel cells or
batteries are the future.

You mean apart from the Goblin and great western schemes happening
right now?

I think he's interpreting the recent outcomes with the GWEP scheme and the
knock-on effects on what are supposed to be following schemes. We're back to
the days when the DfT thought the answer was bionic duckweed but they'll
eventually realise the laws of physics apply so it will have to be
electrification or else lower power and speeds. Fuels cells and batteries
can in no way deliver that quantity of KW.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 05:07:03 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote:

On Friday, 31 March 2017 11:53:46 UTC+1, Someone Somewhere wrote:

1. Start from Trafalgar Square, catch the number 15 heritage service to
Tower Hill

That is a great route. Any 15 will do, but a Heritage one is better. The old X15 was probably the best; the express bus.

Especially when it was RMC (or was it RCL?) operated.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:09:35 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:04:22 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\03\31 12:49, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:

Regarding the Overground, you should experience the peculiar DMU on
the GOBLIN before it dissapears.

There's nothing peculiar about the Goblin trains. There are quite a few
other diesel trains in London: in particular, the Uckfield trains to and
from London Bridge, which are not going to be got rid of any time soon,

Why on earth don't they just electrify that branch and be done with it. What
on earth is the logic for still running diesel to a london commuter town?

It does seem odd. I was at London Bridge quite early one morning
wanting to get to East Croydon and was surprised when a 2-car 171 was
on offer. Seems a bit provincial somehow.

On 31/03/2017 10:42, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:
In your opinion, what are the top three transport related things to do
in London?

London Transport Museum excepted, since I've done that.

* ride on a deep-level tube line (if not done before)
* "driving" the DLR
* riding on the top deck of a bus (if arriving from somewhere where they
are uncommon); and more generally, doing a journey on the surface rather
than on the Underground.


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 2017-03-31 15:13:39 +0000, said:

Goblin trains are class 172 not 170. There are other class 172s in service,
with Chiltern and London Midland but those on London Overground have a
unique layout.

They're the same as the LM ones apart from the bogs, aren't they? They
are certainly 2+2 seated. Side-facing seating is not used, because it
would limit the possibility of re-lease after they are finished with.

Neil
--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2017-03-31 15:13:39 +0000, said:

Goblin trains are class 172 not 170. There are other class 172s in
service, with Chiltern and London Midland but those on London Overground
have a unique layout.

They're the same as the LM ones apart from the bogs, aren't they?
They are certainly 2+2 seated. Side-facing seating is not used,
because it would limit the possibility of re-lease after they are
finished with.

I think all the LM ones have corridor front ends, I think the only 17x DMUs
to have them. Apart from agreeing about the loos, I can't comment on the
interior layouts, not having been on one.

--
Colin Rosenstiel