On 2017\04\01 19:00, wrote:
In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2017-03-31 15:13:39 +0000, said:

Goblin trains are class 172 not 170. There are other class 172s in
service, with Chiltern and London Midland but those on London Overground
have a unique layout.

They're the same as the LM ones apart from the bogs, aren't they?
They are certainly 2+2 seated. Side-facing seating is not used,
because it would limit the possibility of re-lease after they are
finished with.

I think all the LM ones have corridor front ends, I think the only 17x DMUs
to have them. Apart from agreeing about the loos, I can't comment on the
interior layouts, not having been on one.

There's no way a seating arrangement could turn the Goblin into a "top
three transport things to do", unless the seats were hammocks.

wrote:
In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2017-03-31 15:13:39 +0000, said:

Goblin trains are class 172 not 170. There are other class 172s in
service, with Chiltern and London Midland but those on London Overground
have a unique layout.

They're the same as the LM ones apart from the bogs, aren't they?
They are certainly 2+2 seated. Side-facing seating is not used,
because it would limit the possibility of re-lease after they are
finished with.

I think all the LM ones have corridor front ends, I think the only 17x DMUs
to have them. Apart from agreeing about the loos, I can't comment on the
interior layouts, not having been on one.

Here's a couple of Goblin 172 interior pics:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/26610338044/in/album-72157668732378626/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/26843734044/in/album-72157668732378626/

Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:
In your opinion, what are the top three transport related things to do
in London?

London Transport Museum excepted, since I've done that.


You've already had lots of good suggestions, but here are a couple of other
ideas, if you've not done them already:

- If you used Eurostar in the early days, you'll have used Waterloo
International station. You might be interested in seeing how it's finally
being reconverted back to domestic use. This is what it looked like four
months ago:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57673819851723

- There's one Crossrail station you can already visit: Canary Wharf. The
Meridian line passes through it, which is reflected in the plant
arrangements in the roof garden. Yes, an underground station with a roof
garden!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57660672783597

- Tunneling has started on the Northern Line Battersea extension, but I
don't know if you can see much from outside the building site at the old
power station.

- London Bridge station is worth a visit. The total rebuilding project is
half complete, but you can get an idea of what it will be like when
finished. If you ever used it before the rebuilding, you won't recognise
it. These pictures were taken soon after the latest phase opened:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57660672783597

- Walking across the river on a Blackfriars station platform is fun. It's a
good way of getting to the Tate Modern and its new observation gallery.

On 31/03/2017 11:50, Basil Jet wrote:

Use the hand-wound self-propelled chain ferry to Trowlock Island
https://youtu.be/D72EDEcKStM?t=51s

How does that work in practice? If one person takes it across to the
Island, what happens when the next person comes along wanting to travel
in the same direction? Or what happens if it's been left on the land
side, and someone on the island wants to get off?

My own suggestion for a transport oddity would be London's only
funicular railway on the eastern side of the northern bank of the wobbly
(Millennium) bridge. One could call it a sloping lift, but it really is
a cable-hauled funicular, just a very short one. Best of all, it's free.

--
Clive Page

On 02.04.17 10:31, Clive Page wrote:
On 31/03/2017 11:50, Basil Jet wrote:

Use the hand-wound self-propelled chain ferry to Trowlock Island
https://youtu.be/D72EDEcKStM?t=51s

How does that work in practice? If one person takes it across to the
Island, what happens when the next person comes along wanting to travel
in the same direction? Or what happens if it's been left on the land
side, and someone on the island wants to get off?

My own suggestion for a transport oddity would be London's only
funicular railway on the eastern side of the northern bank of the wobbly
(Millennium) bridge. One could call it a sloping lift, but it really is
a cable-hauled funicular, just a very short one. Best of all, it's free.

.... assuming that it works as it is often out of service.

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 10:31:43 +0100, Clive Page wrote:
My own suggestion for a transport oddity would be London's only
funicular railway on the eastern side of the northern bank of the wobbly
(Millennium) bridge. One could call it a sloping lift, but it really is
a cable-hauled funicular, just a very short one. Best of all, it's free.

There is one at Greenford Station too.

David Walters wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 10:31:43 +0100, Clive Page wrote:
My own suggestion for a transport oddity would be London's only
funicular railway on the eastern side of the northern bank of the wobbly
(Millennium) bridge. One could call it a sloping lift, but it really is
a cable-hauled funicular, just a very short one. Best of all, it's free.

There is one at Greenford Station too.


That's not a funicular, just an inclined lift.

On 2017\04\02 15:28, Recliner wrote:
David Walters wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 10:31:43 +0100, Clive Page wrote:
My own suggestion for a transport oddity would be London's only
funicular railway on the eastern side of the northern bank of the wobbly
(Millennium) bridge. One could call it a sloping lift, but it really is
a cable-hauled funicular, just a very short one. Best of all, it's free.

There is one at Greenford Station too.


That's not a funicular, just an inclined lift.


Having used them both, I can see no difference, except the Greenford one
is indoors, and the Blackfriars one is a shoddy embarrassment.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\04\02 15:28, Recliner wrote:
David Walters wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 10:31:43 +0100, Clive Page wrote:
My own suggestion for a transport oddity would be London's only
funicular railway on the eastern side of the northern bank of the wobbly
(Millennium) bridge. One could call it a sloping lift, but it really is
a cable-hauled funicular, just a very short one. Best of all, it's free.

There is one at Greenford Station too.


That's not a funicular, just an inclined lift.


Having used them both, I can see no difference, except the Greenford one
is indoors, and the Blackfriars one is a shoddy embarrassment.



Shouldn't a funicular railway have two cars that (approximately) balance
each other, one going up while the other descends?

On 2017\04\02 15:57, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\04\02 15:28, Recliner wrote:
David Walters wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 10:31:43 +0100, Clive Page wrote:
My own suggestion for a transport oddity would be London's only
funicular railway on the eastern side of the northern bank of the wobbly
(Millennium) bridge. One could call it a sloping lift, but it really is
a cable-hauled funicular, just a very short one. Best of all, it's free.

There is one at Greenford Station too.


That's not a funicular, just an inclined lift.


Having used them both, I can see no difference, except the Greenford one
is indoors, and the Blackfriars one is a shoddy embarrassment.

Shouldn't a funicular railway have two cars that (approximately) balance
each other, one going up while the other descends?

They both have counterweights which do that, between the tracks.

It's the yellow thing in Greenford.
https://youtu.be/sxScXvX1Dv4?t=1m21s

Light-coloured thing in Blackfriars
https://youtu.be/b72PyyrFeYI?t=17s

The previous Blackfriars lift in the same alignment seems to have had no
visible counterweight.