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In message , at 03:05:43
on Thu, 27 Apr 2017, remarked:

It's also made Trumpington a viable Park & Ride car park for Cambridge
station with route R, never thought of when the busway was planned and
first open.

A direct route was always in the original plan. Years of doing a
scenic tour of Addenbrookes was a cost saving measure.

Not the turning round at the station, avoiding all road traffic delays,
wasn't though.

Sure, it was suppose to be part of the longer through routes, but
those were supposed to have sufficient "bus priority measures".

Nobody thought of a busway Park & Ride shuttle until a bus company with a
bit of marketing go thought of the idea. Just as well it's not a
nationalised monopoly as some would have.

I'm not talking about a shuttle! The original plan was for the southern
section to have two separate routes: one from the P&R to Addenbrookes in
3 minutes [it currently takes longer than that just to circumnavigate
the hospital site!], and another from the P&R to the station in 5
minutes, and beyond.

At the time there was some speculation about how the hospital might be
served from the station, with a guess that maybe buses would travel
North-City-Station-P&R-Addenbrookes-P&R-Station-City-North to provide a
through service for patients.

They changed their mind at some stage, resulting in the six(!) minute
trip from P&R to Addenbrookes and seventeen to the station.

[Of course the original Cambridge-Huntingdon timing of 42 mins has been
busted too, being 64 minutes in the current timetable)

At present the southern section is grossly under-used with
nothing after 8pm or on Sundays.

You keep telling us the P&R is for shoppers, and not many of those
catered for historically that late, nor is the much going on a
Addenbrookes.

I have said no such thing. I have said that people staying most of the day,
at whom Park & Ride is aimed, often do shopping as well as other things like
tourism. You are the one falsely assuming rigid market segmentation that
doesn't exist.

When I used to complain about the P&R being unsuitable for commuters
from Cambridge, you used to claim that's because it was for shoppers.
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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
03:05:43 on Thu, 27 Apr 2017, remarked:

You keep telling us the P&R is for shoppers, and not many of those
catered for historically that late, nor is the much going on a
Addenbrookes.

I have said no such thing. I have said that people staying most of the
day, at whom Park & Ride is aimed, often do shopping as well as other
things like tourism. You are the one falsely assuming rigid market
segmentation that doesn't exist.

When I used to complain about the P&R being unsuitable for commuters
from Cambridge, you used to claim that's because it was for shoppers.

I did not!

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In message , at 09:13:15
on Thu, 27 Apr 2017, remarked:

When I used to complain about the P&R being unsuitable for commuters
from Cambridge, you used to claim that's because it was for shoppers.

I did not!

panto Oh yes you did!
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:46:24 -0500
wrote:
In article , d ()
wrote:
Personally I think the best solution for small cities is a pre-metro as
is popular in some parts of europe. Its a tram in the suburbs running
along the street but dives into tunnel in the city centre to avoid the
traffic. Tunneling is expensive obviously but it pays long term.

The main reason why I think heavy rail would have been better is for access
to Cambridge station. We are hopeless at tram-train operation in this

The only problem with cambridge station is that its a rather long walk
from the town centre. However it would IMO still have been a better option
than a busway as the train would have been a lot faster point to point and
with a dedicated shuttle bus to the town centre the former problem is
solved.

country so, deciding ten years ago, it would be the only way to get an
uncongested north-south corridor across Cambridge. If were doing tram-train
with the aplomb shown on the continent then I agree light rail would have
been best.

Sadly the powers that be in this country don't seem to believe in public
transport. If the tube didn't exist it certainly wouldn't get built today in
its current form. Maybe 1 or 2 lines plus an on the cheap tram system like
manchester or nottingham but that would be about it. How newcastle got the
funding a fully fledged underground metro in the city centre 80s is anyones
guess especially when Brum or Manchester were far more deserving. An attack of
benevolence by the government at the time perhaps, or maybe Thatcher trying to
keep the north east on side for a short time given the problems with the
miners.

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
09:13:15 on Thu, 27 Apr 2017, remarked:

When I used to complain about the P&R being unsuitable for commuters
from Cambridge, you used to claim that's because it was for shoppers.

I did not!

panto Oh yes you did!

Prove it! I've known all about Park & Ride since before you were a student.

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wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:46:24 -0500
wrote:
In article , d ()
wrote:
Personally I think the best solution for small cities is a pre-metro as
is popular in some parts of europe. Its a tram in the suburbs running
along the street but dives into tunnel in the city centre to avoid the
traffic. Tunneling is expensive obviously but it pays long term.

The main reason why I think heavy rail would have been better is for access
to Cambridge station. We are hopeless at tram-train operation in this

The only problem with cambridge station is that its a rather long walk
from the town centre. However it would IMO still have been a better option
than a busway as the train would have been a lot faster point to point and
with a dedicated shuttle bus to the town centre the former problem is
solved.

country so, deciding ten years ago, it would be the only way to get an
uncongested north-south corridor across Cambridge. If were doing tram-train
with the aplomb shown on the continent then I agree light rail would have
been best.

Sadly the powers that be in this country don't seem to believe in public
transport. If the tube didn't exist it certainly wouldn't get built today in
its current form. Maybe 1 or 2 lines plus an on the cheap tram system like
manchester or nottingham but that would be about it. How newcastle got the
funding a fully fledged underground metro in the city centre 80s is anyones
guess especially when Brum or Manchester were far more deserving. An attack of
benevolence by the government at the time perhaps, or maybe Thatcher trying to
keep the north east on side for a short time given the problems with the
miners.

Very little (10%) of the Newcastle Metro is underground. It's much more of
an S-Bahn than a U-Bahn.

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On 2017-04-27 20:42:58 +0000, Recliner said:

Very little (10%) of the Newcastle Metro is underground. It's much more of
an S-Bahn than a U-Bahn.

An U-Bahn doesn't have to spend that much of its length underground,
plenty of the Hamburg system is above ground, including the comedy bit
where the U-Bahn (Hochbahn) is elevated and the S-Bahn underground.
The distinction is mo

U-Bahn: segregated light rail metro, not on "national rail" (DB)
tracks, no level crossings.
(Subcategory: Stadtbahn: branded U-Bahn but is more of a souped up tram
system with an underground bit in the city centre. Very much like what
Metrolink would be if it had a city crossing tram tunnel)

S-Bahn: heavy rail metro, runs on DB tracks, can have level crossings
and interworking with other mainline services but doesn't necessarily.

Which leaves LU a bit of a curiosity, being an U-Bahn by all
definitions except that it's heavy rail, though the Met is really an
S-Bahn in character. The Newcastle Metro, being light rail, is a
textbook U-Bahn. Merseyrail is near enough a textbook S-Bahn.

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Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-04-27 20:42:58 +0000, Recliner said:

Very little (10%) of the Newcastle Metro is underground. It's much more of
an S-Bahn than a U-Bahn.

An U-Bahn doesn't have to spend that much of its length underground,
plenty of the Hamburg system is above ground, including the comedy bit
where the U-Bahn (Hochbahn) is elevated and the S-Bahn underground.
The distinction is mo

U-Bahn: segregated light rail metro, not on "national rail" (DB)
tracks, no level crossings.
(Subcategory: Stadtbahn: branded U-Bahn but is more of a souped up tram
system with an underground bit in the city centre. Very much like what
Metrolink would be if it had a city crossing tram tunnel)

S-Bahn: heavy rail metro, runs on DB tracks, can have level crossings
and interworking with other mainline services but doesn't necessarily.

Which leaves LU a bit of a curiosity, being an U-Bahn by all
definitions except that it's heavy rail, though the Met is really an
S-Bahn in character. The Newcastle Metro, being light rail, is a
textbook U-Bahn. Merseyrail is near enough a textbook S-Bahn.

Though, of course, the Newcastle Metro largely runs on former BR tracks,
and it does share NR tracks with heavy rail, making it more like an S-Bahn
in that respect.

http://www.thetrams.co.uk/tyneandwear/sunderland/

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In message , at 15:28:13
on Thu, 27 Apr 2017, remarked:

When I used to complain about the P&R being unsuitable for commuters
from Cambridge, you used to claim that's because it was for shoppers.

I did not!

panto Oh yes you did!

Prove it! I've known all about Park & Ride since before you were a student.

We've discussed this many times over the years, and the main indicator
of intended use was the operating hours of the buses.

You said that the original intention was for the P&R to be used by
people working in Cambridge (but that was always misconceived in my view
because it simply abstracts passengers from existing bus routes, and
also concentrates all the demand for the P&R bus service into two short
windows) and therefore ended up being used mainly by shoppers.

Those bus hours were not suitable for people commuting to London wanting
to use the P&R as a substitute for the station car park.

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On 2017-04-28 04:36:54 +0000, Recliner said:

Though, of course, the Newcastle Metro largely runs on former BR tracks,

The Hamburg U-Bahn has a couple of sections where it's on ex-DB metals
I believe. The key is that they are *ex* DB.

and it does share NR tracks with heavy rail, making it more like an S-Bahn
in that respect.

http://www.thetrams.co.uk/tyneandwear/sunderland/

Yes, I forgot that curious bit.

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On 2017-04-28 08:16:11 +0000, Roland Perry said:

You said that the original intention was for the P&R to be used by
people working in Cambridge (but that was always misconceived in my
view because it simply abstracts passengers from existing bus routes

It doesn't necessarily. Cambridge (like MK) is in a very rural
setting, and many commuter journeys from outside the city are either
poorly or not at all served by bus.

Neil
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In message , at 09:56:32 on Fri, 28
Apr 2017, Neil Williams remarked:
You said that the original intention was for the P&R to be used by
people working in Cambridge (but that was always misconceived in my
view because it simply abstracts passengers from existing bus routes

It doesn't necessarily. Cambridge (like MK) is in a very rural
setting, and many commuter journeys from outside the city are either
poorly or not at all served by bus.

It's not that bad, and by definition smaller villages have fewer workers
in Cambridge anyway.
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:42:58 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Sadly the powers that be in this country don't seem to believe in public
transport. If the tube didn't exist it certainly wouldn't get built today in
its current form. Maybe 1 or 2 lines plus an on the cheap tram system like
manchester or nottingham but that would be about it. How newcastle got the
funding a fully fledged underground metro in the city centre 80s is anyones
guess especially when Brum or Manchester were far more deserving. An attack
of
benevolence by the government at the time perhaps, or maybe Thatcher trying
to
keep the north east on side for a short time given the problems with the
miners.

Very little (10%) of the Newcastle Metro is underground. It's much more of
an S-Bahn than a U-Bahn.

Indeed, but its proper bored tunnel with specialised, non mainline stock so it
still counts as a metro IMO.

Even so, I still can't figure out why newcastle was so blessed when other
more deserving cities were not. God knows, Birmingham really needs a proper
underground system. If it was a city anywhere in northern or eastern europe
it would have public transport coming out of its ears.

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In message , at 09:43:59 on Fri, 28 Apr
2017, d remarked:

Even so, I still can't figure out why newcastle was so blessed when other
more deserving cities were not. God knows, Birmingham really needs a proper
underground system. If it was a city anywhere in northern or eastern europe
it would have public transport coming out of its ears.

Famously "more canals than Venice" which isn't surprising since
Birmingham is about 100x the surface area of Venice.
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On 2017-04-28 09:43:59 +0000, d said:

Even so, I still can't figure out why newcastle was so blessed when other
more deserving cities were not. God knows, Birmingham really needs a proper
underground system. If it was a city anywhere in northern or eastern europe
it would have public transport coming out of its ears.

Yeah, Brum does seem to have been left out, largely I guess because of
the existence of the Cross ****ty and New St tunnel.

Liverpool of course got Merseyrail, which had it been built even 5
years later I think wouldn't have been a TOC. It's just that at the
time BR was in favour - fast forward a couple of years and it no longer
was.

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In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2017-04-28 09:43:59 +0000, d said:

Even so, I still can't figure out why newcastle was so blessed when
other more deserving cities were not. God knows, Birmingham really needs
a proper underground system. If it was a city anywhere in northern or
eastern europe it would have public transport coming out of its ears.

Yeah, Brum does seem to have been left out, largely I guess because
of the existence of the Cross ****ty and New St tunnel.

Liverpool of course got Merseyrail, which had it been built even 5 years
later I think wouldn't have been a TOC. It's just that at the time BR
was in favour - fast forward a couple of years and it no longer was.

Birmingham's City fathers thought the answer to everything was more motor
cars then. They made a lot of cars in Brum then.

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Can you give me an executive summary of the 260 answers your post has generated? Is it YES or NO?

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On 28/04/2017 15:36, Offramp wrote:
Can you give me an executive summary of the 260 answers your post has generated? Is it YES or NO?

To be fair, 250 odd of them have been about public transport in the
Cambridge area including a level of name calling and a discussion on
metallurgy.

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In message , at 16:25:37 on Fri, 28 Apr
2017, Someone Somewhere remarked:

Can you give me an executive summary of the 260 answers your post has generated? Is it YES or NO?

To be fair, 250 odd of them have been about public transport in the
Cambridge area including a level of name calling and a discussion on
metallurgy.

That arose from a discussion of the second of the OP's questions (which,
incidentally, doesn't have a Yes/No answer):

"Has anyone used Uber? How does it work? What is the service like?"
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On 28/04/2017 16:42, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:25:37 on Fri, 28 Apr
2017, Someone Somewhere remarked:

Can you give me an executive summary of the 260 answers your post has
generated? Is it YES or NO?

To be fair, 250 odd of them have been about public transport in the
Cambridge area including a level of name calling and a discussion on
metallurgy.

That arose from a discussion of the second of the OP's questions (which,
incidentally, doesn't have a Yes/No answer):

"Has anyone used Uber? How does it work? What is the service like?"

It might have done but veered (or more precisely "guided" in this case)
a long way off topic (almost to St Ives) after a while.

If the question was really about Uber, would anyone be interested in my
experiences of using it for commuting for a few weeks in Riyadh?
Presumably not, but in the spirit of things here (ignoring what might be
on topic) I'll tell people anyway - very cheap, drivers have no idea how
to follow a map but eventually get there, have a habit of cancelling on
you if you clearly have a non-Arab name. Best Uber experience I've
ever had - San Francisco. Worst Uber experience I've ever had - Woking
(I tried to order one 3 days before they started service there so was
obviously disappointed although they'd turned on the app service in the
area so it looked like I could find a car). Current rating - 4.69.

Going back to the Cambridge guided busway, trying to do a pub crawl
along its length is a dreadful idea - I tried it once - most of the
stops are nowhere near the villages they serve.

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On 28.04.2017 6:25 PM, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 28/04/2017 15:36, Offramp wrote:
Can you give me an executive summary of the 260 answers your post has generated? Is it YES or NO?

To be fair, 250 odd of them have been about public transport in the
Cambridge area including a level of name calling and a discussion on
metallurgy.

So no different to more or less every other thread then. There really
should be a Godwin's Law for Cambridgeshire hackney carriage licensing or
guided buses.

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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:53:10 +0100
Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-04-28 09:43:59 +0000, d said:

Even so, I still can't figure out why newcastle was so blessed when other
more deserving cities were not. God knows, Birmingham really needs a proper
underground system. If it was a city anywhere in northern or eastern europe
it would have public transport coming out of its ears.

Yeah, Brum does seem to have been left out, largely I guess because of
the existence of the Cross ****ty and New St tunnel.

Liverpool of course got Merseyrail, which had it been built even 5

Liverpool had the Liverpool Overhead Railway back in the day. Which in the
true British tradition of 20/20 foresight was torn down for as far as I can
discern no particularly good reason other than no one wanted to cough up for
maintenance and repairs.

years later I think wouldn't have been a TOC. It's just that at the
time BR was in favour - fast forward a couple of years and it no longer
was.

Merseyrail like the drayton park - moorgate line in london rather eludes
definition. Is it a metro, an S Bahn or just commuter rail that happens to
have some underground stations?

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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:39:22 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:43:59 on Fri, 28 Apr
2017, d remarked:

Even so, I still can't figure out why newcastle was so blessed when other
more deserving cities were not. God knows, Birmingham really needs a proper
underground system. If it was a city anywhere in northern or eastern europe
it would have public transport coming out of its ears.

Famously "more canals than Venice" which isn't surprising since
Birmingham is about 100x the surface area of Venice.

Though you were probably more likely to see a drowned shopping trolley or
moped than a gondal. However I believe the brum canals have been cleaned up
and given a makeover recently. Anyone know?

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On 2017-04-28 16:37:11 +0000, d said:

Merseyrail like the drayton park - moorgate line in london rather eludes
definition. Is it a metro, an S Bahn or just commuter rail that happens to
have some underground stations?

Drayton Park to Moorgate is probably an S-Bahn too. Regular interval?
Mostly all stations services?

As for Merseyrail it is an absolute textbook S-Bahn, very similar
indeed to that in Hamburg. Indeed, in some ways Hamburg's railway
geography does mirror Liverpool's a bit - largely because the whole
city does in its layout, being a port city tucked into a similarly
shaped corner of land.

Neil
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In message , at 16:21:36 on Fri, 28 Apr
2017, Clank remarked:

Can you give me an executive summary of the 260 answers your post has generated? Is it YES or NO?

To be fair, 250 odd of them have been about public transport in the
Cambridge area including a level of name calling and a discussion on
metallurgy.

So no different to more or less every other thread then. There really
should be a Godwin's Law for Cambridgeshire hackney carriage licensing or
guided buses.

I'll mention it to Hitler, next time I see him.
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On 28.04.2017 8:00 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:21:36 on Fri, 28 Apr
2017, Clank remarked:

Can you give me an executive summary of the 260 answers your post has generated? Is it YES or NO?

To be fair, 250 odd of them have been about public transport in the
Cambridge area including a level of name calling and a discussion on
metallurgy.

So no different to more or less every other thread then. There really
should be a Godwin's Law for Cambridgeshire hackney carriage licensing or
guided buses.

I'll mention it to Hitler, next time I see him.


I have images of Zombie Hitler rising from the grave in despair muttering
"for Christ's sake, he really thinks he knows more about gas fitting than
me..."

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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 22:53:35 +0100
wrote:
practically nothing remaining it would a new railway that happens to
be going in the same direction,this one is quite recent
http://independent-liverpool.co.uk/b...erpools-overhe
d-railway-set-to-return/

Oh dear, a monorail. Next!

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In message , at 16:41:26 on Fri, 28 Apr
2017, d remarked:
Even so, I still can't figure out why newcastle was so blessed when other
more deserving cities were not. God knows, Birmingham really needs a proper
underground system. If it was a city anywhere in northern or eastern europe
it would have public transport coming out of its ears.

Famously "more canals than Venice" which isn't surprising since
Birmingham is about 100x the surface area of Venice.

Though you were probably more likely to see a drowned shopping trolley or
moped than a gondal. However I believe the brum canals have been cleaned up
and given a makeover recently. Anyone know?

The area around Gas St basin has been "regenerated" with cookie-cutter
bars, bistros and flats. No improvements I could see to the navigation
itself (beyond better towpaths) - if anything parts of it are more
weeded up than they've been in my lifetime.
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In message , at 17:15:02 on Fri, 28 Apr
2017, Someone Somewhere remarked:

Going back to the Cambridge guided busway, trying to do a pub crawl
along its length is a dreadful idea - I tried it once - most of the
stops are nowhere near the villages they serve.

That's because, ten years later, they've only just started building the
new town it was intended to serve. That might just have a Wetherspoons
style pub/bistro one day.

Here's one on the edge of St Ives not that far from the end of the
busway: https://goo.gl/maps/DndRvXqWkbu and another in the previous
Cambs 'new town", Cambourne: https://goo.gl/maps/PWrCHRbYtrr
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wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:
Doesn't matter. The 220m spans of the Ouse viaduct are much more of
an engineering challenge than 75m of spans at Hardengreen plus some
solid embankments.

Compared to many miles of Borders Railway with lots of bridges and tunnels
too. Stop being silly.

Roland also omits having to construct a new alignment for the City of
Edinburgh bypass, build a bridge under the old route, and then move the
bypass back again:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...ay-bridge.html

Theo

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In message , at 19:34:26 on Sat,
29 Apr 2017, Theo remarked:
Doesn't matter. The 220m spans of the Ouse viaduct are much more of
an engineering challenge than 75m of spans at Hardengreen plus some
solid embankments.

Compared to many miles of Borders Railway with lots of bridges and tunnels
too. Stop being silly.

Roland also omits having to construct a new alignment for the City of
Edinburgh bypass, build a bridge under the old route, and then move the
bypass back again

Let's not forget the Borders Railway had three times the budget.
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On Saturday, 1 April 2017 09:47:13 UTC+1, e27002 wrote:

Has anyone used Uber? How does it work? What is the service like?

I still have not used Uber and I am not sure how it works.

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On 05/03/2018 21:03, Offramp wrote:
On Saturday, 1 April 2017 09:47:13 UTC+1, e27002 wrote:

Has anyone used Uber? How does it work? What is the service like?

I still have not used Uber and I am not sure how it works.

They lost their licence to operate in London, which may give you a hint.
I know one person "up North" who paid an Uber driver under a fiver to
get to the supermarket, but the trip back with a different driver cost
over £20 because the driver got lost.

Ihttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640

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John Williamson wrote:
On 05/03/2018 21:03, Offramp wrote:
On Saturday, 1 April 2017 09:47:13 UTC+1, e27002 wrote:

Has anyone used Uber? How does it work? What is the service like?

I still have not used Uber and I am not sure how it works.

They lost their licence to operate in London, which may give you a hint.
I know one person "up North" who paid an Uber driver under a fiver to
get to the supermarket, but the trip back with a different driver cost
over £20 because the driver got lost.

Ihttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640


Uber is still operating in London while the appeals process grinds along.
It seems to have a lot of very happy customers, and is being cited as a
reason wny TfL's tube and bus growth has stalled.

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On 05/03/2018 21:38, Recliner wrote:

Uber is still operating in London while the appeals process grinds along.
It seems to have a lot of very happy customers, and is being cited as a
reason wny TfL's tube and bus growth has stalled.

Which is odd, because their normal clients should be taxi and private
hire car users.

I've just noticed the date on the post I was replying to. Sent April 1st
2017, so it's either a windup, a calendar error or the trip happened a
long time ago.
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John Williamson wrote:
On 05/03/2018 21:38, Recliner wrote:

Uber is still operating in London while the appeals process grinds along.
It seems to have a lot of very happy customers, and is being cited as a
reason wny TfL's tube and bus growth has stalled.

Which is odd, because their normal clients should be taxi and private
hire car users.

They've expanded the market.


I've just noticed the date on the post I was replying to. Sent April 1st
2017, so it's either a windup, a calendar error or the trip happened a
long time ago.

I wondered why you were responding to an old post?

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In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
I know one person "up North" who paid an Uber driver under a fiver to
get to the supermarket, but the trip back with a different driver cost
over £20 because the driver got lost.

I am not a big fan of Uber but that seems rather apochyphal because
the Uber app quotes you the price before you get in the car.

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On 06/03/2018 05:14, John Levine wrote:
In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
I know one person "up North" who paid an Uber driver under a fiver to
get to the supermarket, but the trip back with a different driver cost
over £20 because the driver got lost.

I am not a big fan of Uber but that seems rather apochyphal because
the Uber app quotes you the price before you get in the car.

I have no reason to doubt the truth of the report.

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Tciao for Now!

John.

Woking to Heathrow
 

"John Williamson" wrote in message
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On 06/03/2018 05:14, John Levine wrote:
In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
I know one person "up North" who paid an Uber driver under a fiver to
get to the supermarket, but the trip back with a different driver cost
over £20 because the driver got lost.

I am not a big fan of Uber but that seems rather apochyphal because
the Uber app quotes you the price before you get in the car.

I have no reason to doubt the truth of the report.

except that it's fundamentally flawed

Woking to Heathrow
 

tim wrote:


"John Williamson" wrote in message
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On 06/03/2018 05:14, John Levine wrote:
In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
I know one person "up North" who paid an Uber driver under a fiver to
get to the supermarket, but the trip back with a different driver cost
over £20 because the driver got lost.

I am not a big fan of Uber but that seems rather apochyphal because
the Uber app quotes you the price before you get in the car.

I have no reason to doubt the truth of the report.

except that it's fundamentally flawed

I wonder if surge pricing could have been the reason?