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BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/
I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
"Recliner" wrote in message
... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Looking at Realtime Trains just about everything at Gatwick looks to have been on time throughout the day, but I'm not sure how 'normal' that is! -- DAS |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:15:25 +0100, "
wrote: On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? So cheap offshore IT work has gone well for BA? :-) |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:15:25 +0100, " wrote: On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? So cheap offshore IT work has gone well for BA? :-) We obviously don't know the full story yet, but this certainly sounds like the result of a cost cut too far (and Álex Cruz does seem to have been on a quest to turn BA into Vueling UK). |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On Sun, 28 May 2017 18:32:08 +0100, e27002 aurora
wrote: On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:15:25 +0100, " wrote: On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? So cheap offshore IT work has gone well for BA? :-) Are they not claiming it's a power supply issue? Is the hardware offshore as well? |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
Scott wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2017 18:32:08 +0100, e27002 aurora wrote: On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:15:25 +0100, " wrote: On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? So cheap offshore IT work has gone well for BA? :-) Are they not claiming it's a power supply issue? Is the hardware offshore as well? That's why it's not wise to make precise accusations at this stage. Of course, any professional data centre shouldn't collapse for most of a day if there's a power supply problem. It should have UPS and ample backup power, plus, perhaps duplicated grid connections. But whatever the fault, it probably is a consequence of excessive cost-cutting. And I bet the money saved is dwarfed by the estimated £150m cost of this fiasco. I think señor Cruz has done more than enough damage to BA, and it's time the cost of his job was saved. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On 28.05.17 20:44, Recliner wrote:
e27002 aurora wrote: On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:15:25 +0100, " wrote: On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? So cheap offshore IT work has gone well for BA? :-) We obviously don't know the full story yet, but this certainly sounds like the result of a cost cut too far (and Álex Cruz does seem to have been on a quest to turn BA into Vueling UK). I can't help but wonder if this was a targetted virus attack of some sort. I also read a note, stating that BA could face a £100 million bill over this. I wonder what IAG's balance sheet indicates. |
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On 28.05.17 21:39, Recliner wrote: wrote: On 28.05.17 20:44, Recliner wrote: e27002 aurora wrote: On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:15:25 +0100, " wrote: On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? So cheap offshore IT work has gone well for BA? :-) We obviously don't know the full story yet, but this certainly sounds like the result of a cost cut too far (and Álex Cruz does seem to have been on a quest to turn BA into Vueling UK). I can't help but wonder if this was a targetted virus attack of some sort. For what it's worth, that's been denied. They would do. And this isn't how viruses usually manifest themselves. I think that you are a computer engineer, whereas I am not. I did mention targeted attack, however. I also read a note, stating that BA could face a £100 million bill over this. I wonder what IAG's balance sheet indicates. I've seen an estimate of £150m. That would have bought BA another 787-9. New, I'm assuming? Yes, with plenty of cash left over. |
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BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On 28.05.17 22:32, John Levine wrote:
In article , wrote: I can't help but wonder if this was a targetted virus attack of some sort. I doubt it. History suggests this is what happens when cost cutters keep asking why we need all those useless redundant systems and links that just sit there doing nothing. R's, John How very short-sighted. Even if nothing never happens, it would give some piece of mind. It's similar to AWS or TPWS; Most drivers will respond to and obey signal aspects, though in the even that they do not ... I wonder if either BA's or IAG's insurance will help out, considering the circumstances under which this happened. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
John Levine wrote:
In article , wrote: I can't help but wonder if this was a targetted virus attack of some sort. I doubt it. History suggests this is what happens when cost cutters keep asking why we need all those useless redundant systems and links that just sit there doing nothing. Extracts from https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ba-faces-150m-loss-after-chaos-at-heathrow-skn5df2p9?shareToken=eda797f212af8616c748134ddb1b0 3b0: British Airways is facing losses of more than £150 million after the most serious IT failure in UK aviation history. … The airline said that a power failure took down servers hosting the “Fly” system, which controls everything from bookings to baggage-tracking and passport checks. BA systems collapsed last year on June 19, July 7 and again on July 13. Critics blamed cost-cutting by the chief executive, Alex Cruz, and outsourcing of IT roles to India. They also said statements yesterday that most services had returned to normal were “dishonest”. Passengers described conditions in Heathrow as “third-world” and many could not access information by phone or online. … Howard Wheeldon, an aviation analyst, said that predictions of a £100 million bill for compensation and recovery costs could be an under-estimate because of the “incalculable” loss of future business owing to damage to BA’s reputation. “It isn’t only two days,” he said. “It’s the impact on people’s confidence.” Other experts mooted near-term losses above £150 million once the airline had paid the statutory compensation of £225 to £540 per passenger. BA said that the problems had started with a power failure, not a cyberattack. The Fly system, which was introduced last year is unpopular with staff, who find it slows down under pressure. A union survey of 700 staff last summer found that more than 90 per cent believed it was unfit for purpose. It was unclear yesterday why a power failure could knock out the system, but sources indicated that BA did have back-up power supplies that failed too. Alex Macheras, an aviation analyst, said: “I was disappointed when British Airways claimed things were back to normal early Saturday morning. This was simply an attempt to distract the media. In fact, Sunday was described as ‘far worse’ by airport staff I spoke to.” A BA spokesman said: “We would never compromise the integrity and security of our IT systems. IT services are now provided globally by a range of suppliers and this is very common practice across all industries We are extremely sorry for the disruption.” |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
"Recliner" wrote in message ... e27002 aurora wrote: On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:15:25 +0100, " wrote: On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? So cheap offshore IT work has gone well for BA? :-) We obviously don't know the full story yet, but this certainly sounds like the result of a cost cut too far (and Álex Cruz does seem to have been on a quest to turn BA into Vueling UK). but it's far from clear that the problem here is the offshoring it seems to be entirely down to insufficient redundancy in their systems, and any decision to dispense with (whatever is) industry standard redundancy is going to have come from someone much higher up than an offshore bod. tim |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
"Scott" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 May 2017 18:32:08 +0100, e27002 aurora wrote: On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:15:25 +0100, " wrote: On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? So cheap offshore IT work has gone well for BA? :-) Are they not claiming it's a power supply issue? Is the hardware offshore as well? according to El Reg "BA has a very large IT infrastructure; it has over 500 data cabinets spread across six halls in two different sites near its Heathrow Waterside HQ" |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
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-septe mber.org, at 20:10:12 on Sun, 28 May 2017, Recliner remarked: That's why it's not wise to make precise accusations at this stage. Of course, any professional data centre shouldn't collapse for most of a day if there's a power supply problem. It should have UPS But unlikely to have hours worth of UPS. and ample backup power, plus, perhaps duplicated grid connections. Yes, they should have duplicated grid connections, although that ca be challenging if the reason the datacentre has been located where it is results from a local power source (a hydro dam is a common example). But even with all the precautions, it's well nigh impossible to exclude every single-point-of-failure, which can easily be in the equipment which manages the redistribution of power during an outage. -- Roland Perry |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:50:51 +0100, "tim..."
wrote: "Scott" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 28 May 2017 18:32:08 +0100, e27002 aurora wrote: On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:15:25 +0100, " wrote: On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? So cheap offshore IT work has gone well for BA? :-) Are they not claiming it's a power supply issue? Is the hardware offshore as well? according to El Reg "BA has a very large IT infrastructure; it has over 500 data cabinets spread across six halls in two different sites near its Heathrow Waterside HQ" The obvious question then is whether any other part of the Heathrow area suffered power supply problems. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On 29/05/2017 10:20, Scott wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:50:51 +0100, "tim..." wrote: "Scott" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 May 2017 18:32:08 +0100, e27002 aurora wrote: On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:15:25 +0100, " wrote: On 27.05.17 16:26, Recliner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/british-airways-chaos-computer-systems-crash-across-world-causing/ I'm certainly glad I wasn't flying today! All was smooth when I flew out from Heathrow on Wednesday, and I hope it will be back to normal on Friday. But I wonder what effect it's had on trains serving Heathrow and Gatwick? Possibly longer dwell times at Gatwick Airport as people turn back home when they either give up or realise that they are not going to fly out today? This might have a knock-on effect on schedules into and out of London. I think that the effects would be as bad at Heathrow as Piccadilly Line trains have extended dwell times at all the stations, IIRC. The same goes for HEX trains, yes? So cheap offshore IT work has gone well for BA? :-) Are they not claiming it's a power supply issue? Is the hardware offshore as well? according to El Reg "BA has a very large IT infrastructure; it has over 500 data cabinets spread across six halls in two different sites near its Heathrow Waterside HQ" The obvious question then is whether any other part of the Heathrow area suffered power supply problems. Heathrow Waterside is a separate industrial estate just off the A4 to the north west of the airport (roughly where they want to put the third runway! Apart from BA the only other occupants appear to be a branch of Waitrose and a hair dressers. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
In message , at 10:20:08 on
Mon, 29 May 2017, Scott remarked: Are they not claiming it's a power supply issue? Is the hardware offshore as well? according to El Reg "BA has a very large IT infrastructure; it has over 500 data cabinets spread across six halls in two different sites near its Heathrow Waterside HQ" The obvious question then is whether any other part of the Heathrow area suffered power supply problems. The power feed into the building is only the beginning of the sequence of potential points-of-failure. -- Roland Perry |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
In message , at 10:28:11 on Mon, 29 May
2017, Graeme Wall remarked: Heathrow Waterside is a separate industrial estate just off the A4 to the north west of the airport (roughly where they want to put the third runway! Apart from BA the only other occupants appear to be a branch of Waitrose Can you buy lemon-soaked napkins at Waitrose? and a hair dressers. But no telephone sanitisers? -- Roland Perry |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:42:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 10:20:08 on Mon, 29 May 2017, Scott remarked: Are they not claiming it's a power supply issue? Is the hardware offshore as well? according to El Reg "BA has a very large IT infrastructure; it has over 500 data cabinets spread across six halls in two different sites near its Heathrow Waterside HQ" The obvious question then is whether any other part of the Heathrow area suffered power supply problems. The power feed into the building is only the beginning of the sequence of potential points-of-failure. True. I thought of this after I posted. The 'power supply' in my computer here is not the same as the power supply to my house. |
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In message , at 10:54:25 on
Mon, 29 May 2017, Scott remarked: The power feed into the building is only the beginning of the sequence of potential points-of-failure. True. I thought of this after I posted. The 'power supply' in my computer here is not the same as the power supply to my house. Yes, I've got a 6hr laptop plugged into a UPS, which if the laptop power supply was the only[1] sink would last another day. Mifi-style mobile connectivity through a mast on a different substation, and that's most of my continuity issues solved. Doesn't scale to whole datacentres, though. [1] About one minute's unplugging of other stuff. -- Roland Perry |
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On 29/05/2017 10:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:28:11 on Mon, 29 May 2017, Graeme Wall remarked: Heathrow Waterside is a separate industrial estate just off the A4 to the north west of the airport (roughly where they want to put the third runway! Apart from BA the only other occupants appear to be a branch of Waitrose Can you buy lemon-soaked napkins at Waitrose? Eventually, if you wait long enough. and a hair dressers. But no telephone sanitisers? Not listed, they may have died out. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 2017-05-29 06:40:01 +0000, tim... said:
it seems to be entirely down to insufficient redundancy in their systems, and any decision to dispense with (whatever is) industry standard redundancy is going to have come from someone much higher up than an offshore bod. There isn't any as such. BA will have signed an uptime contract, the cost of which will depend on the level of uptime desired. If that is breached, BA will be entitled to compensation. You can sign a no-downtime contract, but it is hugely expensive. Aircraft on-board systems are designed in that manner. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On 2017-05-29 08:43:37 +0000, Roland Perry said:
In message -septe mber.org, at 20:10:12 on Sun, 28 May 2017, Recliner remarked: That's why it's not wise to make precise accusations at this stage. Of course, any professional data centre shouldn't collapse for most of a day if there's a power supply problem. It should have UPS But unlikely to have hours worth of UPS. If it's business-critical, generators to power for an indefinite period (provided fuel is added) should be present. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On Mon, 29 May 2017 15:46:34 +0100
Neil Williams wrote: On 2017-05-29 08:43:37 +0000, Roland Perry said: In message -septe mber.org, at 20:10:12 on Sun, 28 May 2017, Recliner remarked: That's why it's not wise to make precise accusations at this stage. Of course, any professional data centre shouldn't collapse for most of a day if there's a power supply problem. It should have UPS But unlikely to have hours worth of UPS. If it's business-critical, generators to power for an indefinite period (provided fuel is added) should be present. Indeed. Whether it was a UPS failure, a generator failure, a DC bus failure or a cat ****ed on the routers, there should have been a backup site to take over in a situation like this. There wasn't, presumably to cut costs and that decision comes from the top. Well you reep what you sow. I'd be very surprised if Mr Cruz is still in his job this time next month. On a related note, why the hell do people travel on a bank holiday anyway? Is that extra free day off work really worth all the stress and hassle of the train/air/ship delays or the 10 mile traffic jams? -- Spud |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
In message , at 15:46:34 on Mon, 29
May 2017, Neil Williams remarked: That's why it's not wise to make precise accusations at this stage. Of course, any professional data centre shouldn't collapse for most of a day if there's a power supply problem. It should have UPS But unlikely to have hours worth of UPS. If it's business-critical, generators to power for an indefinite period (provided fuel is added) should be present. Yes, but that's not a UPS. -- Roland Perry |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:46:34 on Mon, 29 May 2017, Neil Williams remarked: That's why it's not wise to make precise accusations at this stage. Of course, any professional data centre shouldn't collapse for most of a day if there's a power supply problem. It should have UPS But unlikely to have hours worth of UPS. If it's business-critical, generators to power for an indefinite period (provided fuel is added) should be present. Yes, but that's not a UPS. You obviously need both, as I said in my post upthread, and as everyone posting in this thread well understands. There's no need for you to nit-pick. The UPS takes over the instant mains power is lost, but the backup diesel and/or gas turbine gennies should be on-line within minutes. They should be capable of running the whole data centre indefinitely. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 May 2017 15:46:34 +0100 Neil Williams wrote: On 2017-05-29 08:43:37 +0000, Roland Perry said: In message -septe mber.org, at 20:10:12 on Sun, 28 May 2017, Recliner remarked: That's why it's not wise to make precise accusations at this stage. Of course, any professional data centre shouldn't collapse for most of a day if there's a power supply problem. It should have UPS But unlikely to have hours worth of UPS. If it's business-critical, generators to power for an indefinite period (provided fuel is added) should be present. Indeed. Whether it was a UPS failure, a generator failure, a DC bus failure or a cat ****ed on the routers, there should have been a backup site to take over in a situation like this. There wasn't, presumably to cut costs and that decision comes from the top. Well you reep what you sow. I'd be very surprised if Mr Cruz is still in his job this time next month. On a related note, why the hell do people travel on a bank holiday anyway? Is that extra free day off work really worth all the stress and hassle of the train/air/ship delays or the 10 mile traffic jams? It's been like that for at least 40 years so obviously some people think that it is tim |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On Tue, 30 May 2017 12:46:27 +0100
"tim..." wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 May 2017 15:46:34 +0100 Neil Williams wrote: On 2017-05-29 08:43:37 +0000, Roland Perry said: In message -septe mber.org, at 20:10:12 on Sun, 28 May 2017, Recliner remarked: That's why it's not wise to make precise accusations at this stage. Of course, any professional data centre shouldn't collapse for most of a day if there's a power supply problem. It should have UPS But unlikely to have hours worth of UPS. If it's business-critical, generators to power for an indefinite period (provided fuel is added) should be present. Indeed. Whether it was a UPS failure, a generator failure, a DC bus failure or a cat ****ed on the routers, there should have been a backup site to take over in a situation like this. There wasn't, presumably to cut costs and that decision comes from the top. Well you reep what you sow. I'd be very surprised if Mr Cruz is still in his job this time next month. On a related note, why the hell do people travel on a bank holiday anyway? Is that extra free day off work really worth all the stress and hassle of the train/air/ship delays or the 10 mile traffic jams? It's been like that for at least 40 years so obviously some people think that it is I suppose when you consider how low the average IQ is then realise that half the population are even dumber than that I guess it should come as no surprise. -- Spud |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
En el artculo , Scott
escribi: Are they not claiming it's a power supply issue? Is the hardware offshore as well? No, the main DC is in Boadicea House, just to the east of the ends of the Heathrow runways. -- (\_/) (='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick (")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West |
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On 03/06/2017 12:02, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el art*culo , Scott escribió: Are they not claiming it's a power supply issue? Is the hardware offshore as well? No, the main DC is in Boadicea House, just to the east of the ends of the Heathrow runways. So what's over at Waterside? -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
En el artculo , Graeme Wall
escribi: So what's over at Waterside? Their main HQ, apparently. Suits, finance, customer disservice, etc. 5436,-0.487028,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x5e40cb0e56d6af7b!8m2!3d51.48 543 6!4d-0.487028 The primary datacentre at Boadicea House is a hangover from the days when BA used to be BOAC. 344,-0.4243124,210m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48767234cdc56de9:0x8fe75 35 543f64167!8m2!3d51.4700223!4d-0.4542955 https://www.architecture.com/image-l...ribapix/image- information/poster/boadicea-house-boac-computer-building-heathrow- airport-london/posterid/RIBA62458.html https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/2570823057_cc49e1f290_b.jpg Sorry for the long URLs, I couldn't be arsed tinyurl'ing them. -- (\_/) (='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick (")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el art*culo , Graeme Wall escribió: So what's over at Waterside? Their main HQ, apparently. Suits, finance, customer disservice, etc. 5436,-0.487028,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x5e40cb0e56d6af7b!8m2!3d51.48 543 6!4d-0.487028 And destined to be disappear under the third runway. The primary datacentre at Boadicea House is a hangover from the days when BA used to be BOAC. 344,-0.4243124,210m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48767234cdc56de9:0x8fe75 35 543f64167!8m2!3d51.4700223!4d-0.4542955 https://www.architecture.com/image-l...ribapix/image- information/poster/boadicea-house-boac-computer-building-heathrow- airport-london/posterid/RIBA62458.html https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/2570823057_cc49e1f290_b.jpg Sorry for the long URLs, I couldn't be arsed tinyurl'ing them. The reports say two data centres were affected -- I wonder if the other was BEA's? |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
Recliner wrote:
Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artculo , Graeme Wall escribi: So what's over at Waterside? Their main HQ, apparently. Suits, finance, customer disservice, etc. 5436,-0.487028,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x5e40cb0e56d6af7b!8m2!3d51.48 543 6!4d-0.487028 And destined to be disappear under the third runway. I don't think they were expecting that. ;-) Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On 03/06/2017 15:03, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el art*culo , Graeme Wall escribió: So what's over at Waterside? Their main HQ, apparently. Suits, finance, customer disservice, etc. 5436,-0.487028,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x5e40cb0e56d6af7b!8m2!3d51.48 543 6!4d-0.487028 The primary datacentre at Boadicea House is a hangover from the days when BA used to be BOAC. Wasn't Boadicea the name of BOAC's first computer IIRC? -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
On 03/06/2017 15:10, Recliner wrote:
Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el art*culo , Graeme Wall escribió: So what's over at Waterside? Their main HQ, apparently. Suits, finance, customer disservice, etc. 5436,-0.487028,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x5e40cb0e56d6af7b!8m2!3d51.48 543 6!4d-0.487028 And destined to be disappear under the third runway. The primary datacentre at Boadicea House is a hangover from the days when BA used to be BOAC. 344,-0.4243124,210m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48767234cdc56de9:0x8fe75 35 543f64167!8m2!3d51.4700223!4d-0.4542955 https://www.architecture.com/image-l...ribapix/image- information/poster/boadicea-house-boac-computer-building-heathrow- airport-london/posterid/RIBA62458.html https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/2570823057_cc49e1f290_b.jpg Sorry for the long URLs, I couldn't be arsed tinyurl'ing them. The reports say two data centres were affected -- I wonder if the other was BEA's? Not sure that BEA had one in the modern sense. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
BA IT collapse -- what effect on ttains?
In uk.railway Recliner wrote:
The reports say two data centres were affected -- I wonder if the other was BEA's? Probably not, that was on top of the Circle & District: https://rbkclocalstudies.wordpress.c...-air-terminal/ Theo |
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