wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2017 18:00:39 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:57:53 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Wandered down to the refurbished platforms at waterloo international at
lunchtime which are now opened for suburban trains (for the time being). So
in ten years they've managed to reduce the length of the platforms to provide
a concourse, built a temporary bridge to the main concourse and put some
destination boards up.

Well I'm impressed. To think in the same time period the chinese have only
managed to build half a dozen new cities + infrastructure. Amateurs.

The whole thing is pitiful. The Nine Elms flyover needs to be torn
down and replaced with a flyover to take the Windsor lines over the
fast-main pair. Bournemouth and Portsmouth passengers should be
arriving into the "International" platforms, not Staines and Windsor
passengers.

And surely the "hole" in the main concourse should have been covered,
rather than build a new remote concourse.

The best part is that in building this new concourse they've had to drastically
shorten all but one of the platforms there so scuppering any possibility of
stabling two 8 car trains in them.

Is that meant to be fact, or just opinion?

There was plenty of room down below where
the old eurostar concourse and waiting areas were, but no, thats not in use
any more. No doubt it'll just be more shops in 5-10 years time when they finally
get around to finishing the project.

How long do you think it is since this project started? How long will the
project take, from start to finish?

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:54:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
And surely the "hole" in the main concourse should have been covered,
rather than build a new remote concourse.

The best part is that in building this new concourse they've had to
drastically
shorten all but one of the platforms there so scuppering any possibility of
stabling two 8 car trains in them.

Is that meant to be fact, or just opinion?

A eurostar is approx 400m long. An 8 car 3rd rail EMU is 8*20 = 160m. x2 gives
320m. I'd have thought even you could have managed that maths. However now
they've lopped a considerable amount off the length of the platforms I doubt
two 8 cars would fit.

As for stabling 2 trains in the same platform - it happens elsewhere on the
network, why not at waterloo? Are you saying waterloo is somehow special?

There was plenty of room down below where
the old eurostar concourse and waiting areas were, but no, thats not in use
any more. No doubt it'll just be more shops in 5-10 years time when they
finally
get around to finishing the project.

How long do you think it is since this project started? How long will the
project take, from start to finish?

Well its taken BRB & NR 10 years to get this far, and its been over a year
since building work actually started for them to do frankly not very much.
I have little confidence the refurbishment of the 2 floors below will be
finished anytime soon.

--
Spud

wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:54:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
And surely the "hole" in the main concourse should have been covered,
rather than build a new remote concourse.

The best part is that in building this new concourse they've had to
drastically
shorten all but one of the platforms there so scuppering any possibility of
stabling two 8 car trains in them.

Is that meant to be fact, or just opinion?

A eurostar is approx 400m long. An 8 car 3rd rail EMU is 8*20 = 160m. x2 gives
320m. I'd have thought even you could have managed that maths.

Yes, and unlike you, I'm not ignorant.

However now
they've lopped a considerable amount off the length of the platforms I doubt
two 8 cars would fit.

They've moved the buffer stops by 50m, so there will still be room for 2x8
car trains.



As for stabling 2 trains in the same platform - it happens elsewhere on the
network, why not at waterloo? Are you saying waterloo is somehow special?

No — where did I say that?


There was plenty of room down below where
the old eurostar concourse and waiting areas were, but no, thats not in use
any more. No doubt it'll just be more shops in 5-10 years time when they
finally
get around to finishing the project.

How long do you think it is since this project started? How long will the
project take, from start to finish?

Well its taken BRB & NR 10 years to get this far, and its been over a year
since building work actually started for them to do frankly not very much.
I have little confidence the refurbishment of the 2 floors below will be
finished anytime soon.

I'm sure they'll be devastated that an ignoramus like you has little
confidence in this large project you know so little about.

From
http://www.railway-technology.com/pr...pgrade-london/

The site preparation works on the station upgrade began in October 2015 and
construction works began in December 2015. The Waterloo International
station was closed for all trains services in April 2016 for construction.

Platform 20 will be returned to Network Rail and train services will be
reinstated by February 2017, while platforms 21 to 24 will be returned in
July 2017, and former international terminal will be opened for temporary
use in August 2017. The station will be closed again for passenger services
so that the remaining construction works can be completed.

Platforms 1 to 4 on the suburban network will be operated with ten-carriage
services from December 2017 during the morning and evening peak periods.

Platforms 21 to 24 will be opened and additional train services operating
on a new timetable starting from December 2018.

…

The consortium consisting of Skanska, Colas Rail, Aecom and Mott MacDonald
was awarded with a £400m ($592.08m) contract to upgrade the Waterloo
station in January 2016.

The contractual scope includes bringing the international terminal at the
station back into use for domestic train services and increasing the length
of certain station platforms.

It also includes delivering track alterations, signalling, communications,
buildings and civil infrastructure along the Wessex Route and at Waterloo,
Vauxhall, Clapham Junction, Richmond, Wimbledon and Surbiton stations.

——

It all seems to be going exactly to plan so far, even without your expert
guidance.

Now, what was that about you claiming you didn't pour scorn on projects you
knew little about?

BrianW wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 10:27:38 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:54:23 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
And surely the "hole" in the main concourse should have been covered,
rather than build a new remote concourse.

The best part is that in building this new concourse they've had to
drastically
shorten all but one of the platforms there so scuppering any possibility of
stabling two 8 car trains in them.

Is that meant to be fact, or just opinion?

A eurostar is approx 400m long. An 8 car 3rd rail EMU is 8*20 = 160m. x2 gives
320m. I'd have thought even you could have managed that maths.

Yes, and unlike you, I'm not ignorant.

However now
they've lopped a considerable amount off the length of the platforms I doubt
two 8 cars would fit.

They've moved the buffer stops by 50m, so there will still be room for 2x8
car trains.



As for stabling 2 trains in the same platform - it happens elsewhere on the
network, why not at waterloo? Are you saying waterloo is somehow special?

No — where did I say that?


There was plenty of room down below where
the old eurostar concourse and waiting areas were, but no, thats not in use
any more. No doubt it'll just be more shops in 5-10 years time when they
finally
get around to finishing the project.

How long do you think it is since this project started? How long will the
project take, from start to finish?

Well its taken BRB & NR 10 years to get this far, and its been over a year
since building work actually started for them to do frankly not very much.
I have little confidence the refurbishment of the 2 floors below will be
finished anytime soon.

I'm sure they'll be devastated that an ignoramus like you has little
confidence in this large project you know so little about.

Yes. I imagine they'll be about as devastated as HS2 were to learn that
Mr Bell lost all respect for them.

At least Mr Bell makes a real effort to understand the official plan before
politely denouncing it. Spud routinely scorns projects about which he knows
nothing.

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 09:23:25 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
A eurostar is approx 400m long. An 8 car 3rd rail EMU is 8*20 = 160m. x2
gives
320m. I'd have thought even you could have managed that maths.

Yes, and unlike you, I'm not ignorant.

I guess you were just having a senior moment and couldn't work it out then eh?

However now
they've lopped a considerable amount off the length of the platforms I doubt
two 8 cars would fit.

They've moved the buffer stops by 50m, so there will still be room for 2x8
car trains.

It looks somewhat more than 50m to me.

As for stabling 2 trains in the same platform - it happens elsewhere on the
network, why not at waterloo? Are you saying waterloo is somehow special?

No — where did I say that?

Then what exactly were you wibbling about then? Or any excuse to have a go eh?

Well its taken BRB & NR 10 years to get this far, and its been over a year
since building work actually started for them to do frankly not very much.
I have little confidence the refurbishment of the 2 floors below will be
finished anytime soon.

I'm sure they'll be devastated that an ignoramus like you has little
confidence in this large project you know so little about.

I don't need to know the details to know that 10 years to do such a small
amount of work is a ****ing joke.

The site preparation works on the station upgrade began in October 2015 and
construction works began in December 2015. The Waterloo International
station was closed for all trains services in April 2016 for construction.

Your cut and paste skills are impressive, you could get a job as a secretary
yet. Keep trying.

It all seems to be going exactly to plan so far, even without your expert
guidance.

Yes, and we all know how reliable timescales are on the railways when it comes
to engineering works.

Now, what was that about you claiming you didn't pour scorn on projects you
knew little about?

You willful misunderstanding of someones position in a feeble attempt to score
points really are tragic.

--
Spud

On 09/08/2017 09:54, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2017 18:00:39 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:57:53 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Wandered down to the refurbished platforms at waterloo international at
lunchtime which are now opened for suburban trains (for the time being). So
in ten years they've managed to reduce the length of the platforms to provide
a concourse, built a temporary bridge to the main concourse and put some
destination boards up.

Well I'm impressed. To think in the same time period the chinese have only
managed to build half a dozen new cities + infrastructure. Amateurs.

The whole thing is pitiful. The Nine Elms flyover needs to be torn
down and replaced with a flyover to take the Windsor lines over the
fast-main pair. Bournemouth and Portsmouth passengers should be
arriving into the "International" platforms, not Staines and Windsor
passengers.

And surely the "hole" in the main concourse should have been covered,
rather than build a new remote concourse.

The best part is that in building this new concourse they've had to drastically
shorten all but one of the platforms there so scuppering any possibility of
stabling two 8 car trains in them.

Is that meant to be fact, or just opinion?

As far as I can make out the platform ends are at the same place they
were in E* days.



--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\08\09 10:23, Recliner wrote:

They've moved the buffer stops by 50m, so there will still be room for 2x8
car trains.

They've moved the trains 50 metres further from the tubes / buses /
taxis? Why?

Only on the former international platforms. As I said, to create the new,
higher level concourse and gate line.

On 2017\08\09 10:23, Recliner wrote:

They've moved the buffer stops by 50m, so there will still be room for 2x8
car trains.

They've moved the trains 50 metres further from the tubes / buses /
taxis? Why?

In message , at 13:07:05 on Wed, 9 Aug 2017,
Basil Jet remarked:

They've moved the buffer stops by 50m, so there will still be room
for 2x8 car trains.

They've moved the trains 50 metres further from the tubes / buses /
taxis? Why?

DfT's keep-fit fanatic has moved his attention to Waterloo, given his
huge success at St Pancras and Kings Cross.
--
Roland Perry

On 09/08/2017 13:07, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\08\09 10:23, Recliner wrote:

They've moved the buffer stops by 50m, so there will still be room for
2x8
car trains.

They've moved the trains 50 metres further from the tubes / buses /
taxis? Why?

If they provide another route down to the TfL ticket office area from
the new concourse they could actually shorten the distance to the tube.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.