Tube passengers tracked by phone WiFi
 

On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 16:49:54 -0700, Nobody wrote:

On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 08:55:05 +0100, Guy Gorton
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:03:37 GMT, Recliner
wrote:

From:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transport-for-london-may-track-commuters-via-phones-to-reduce-overcrowding-b0ss982j7?shareToken=d3406a5e9a7b95fb4dd49507b8be3 071

Commuters could be tracked using their mobile phones under plans to tackle
overcrowding and increase revenue from advertising.

Fascinating selection of routes, some of which could be accounted for
by friends/relatives travelling together with different destinations
but on the same general route.

But why do people let the world know where they are? Not using the
device is not enough, It has to be switched off to avoid tracking.
Mine is only switched on when I am willing to accept calls or need to
make a call. That only amounts to a small proportion of my waking
hours so it is more often off than on..

Guy Gorton

You're stepping into gradations of goat-herding

Goat-herding needs it switched on full time to avoid getting lost. I
like goats more than mobile phones because the cheese is tasty..

Guy Gorton

Tube passengers tracked by phone WiFi
 

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 14:53:12 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

wrote:
On 09.09.17 11:42, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Guy Gorton wrote:


But why do people let the world know where they are? Not using the
device is not enough, It has to be switched off to avoid tracking.
Mine is only switched on when I am willing to accept calls or need to
make a call. That only amounts to a small proportion of my waking
hours so it is more often off than on..



My phone OTOH is always on except when it has to be off, eg whilst driving
a train.

Do drivers have to completely switch off their mobiles when at work? Or
can you simply put them on silent or airplane mode?


Off in the cab. Apparently we can't be trusted with airline mode etc ;) .

Well, you might still be playing Angry Birds :-)

Mark

Tube passengers tracked by phone WiFi
 

On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 08:55:05 +0100, Guy Gorton
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:03:37 GMT, Recliner
wrote:

From:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transport-for-london-may-track-commuters-via-phones-to-reduce-overcrowding-b0ss982j7?shareToken=d3406a5e9a7b95fb4dd49507b8be3 071

Commuters could be tracked using their mobile phones under plans to tackle
overcrowding and increase revenue from advertising.

Fascinating selection of routes, some of which could be accounted for
by friends/relatives travelling together with different destinations
but on the same general route.

But why do people let the world know where they are? Not using the
device is not enough, It has to be switched off to avoid tracking.
Mine is only switched on when I am willing to accept calls or need to
make a call. That only amounts to a small proportion of my waking
hours so it is more often off than on..

Then you are in a small minority, and not part of the target market
for the applications in question.

Mark

Tube passengers tracked by phone WiFi
 

Mark Goodge wrote:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 14:53:12 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

wrote:
On 09.09.17 11:42, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Guy Gorton wrote:


But why do people let the world know where they are? Not using the
device is not enough, It has to be switched off to avoid tracking.
Mine is only switched on when I am willing to accept calls or need to
make a call. That only amounts to a small proportion of my waking
hours so it is more often off than on..



My phone OTOH is always on except when it has to be off, eg whilst driving
a train.

Do drivers have to completely switch off their mobiles when at work? Or
can you simply put them on silent or airplane mode?


Off in the cab. Apparently we can't be trusted with airline mode etc ;) .

Well, you might still be playing Angry Birds :-)



In recent months I've played (and got bored with) a few railway-themed
games (though not while driving!) - I wonder how many railway-themed game
apps there are!


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Tube passengers tracked by phone WiFi
 

On 10/09/2017 13:02, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Mark Goodge wrote:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 14:53:12 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

wrote:
On 09.09.17 11:42, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Guy Gorton wrote:


But why do people let the world know where they are? Not using the
device is not enough, It has to be switched off to avoid tracking.
Mine is only switched on when I am willing to accept calls or need to
make a call. That only amounts to a small proportion of my waking
hours so it is more often off than on..



My phone OTOH is always on except when it has to be off, eg whilst driving
a train.

Do drivers have to completely switch off their mobiles when at work? Or
can you simply put them on silent or airplane mode?


Off in the cab. Apparently we can't be trusted with airline mode etc ;) .

Well, you might still be playing Angry Birds :-)



In recent months I've played (and got bored with) a few railway-themed
games (though not while driving!) - I wonder how many railway-themed game
apps there are!


Anna Noyd-Dryver


Whilst not as an app, SIAM have railway simulations - mostly based on
DOS. Very good as well if you like that sort of thing.

--
Colin

Tube passengers tracked by phone WiFi
 

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 11:24:38 +0100, Mark Goodge
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 08:55:05 +0100, Guy Gorton
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:03:37 GMT, Recliner
wrote:

From:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transport-for-london-may-track-commuters-via-phones-to-reduce-overcrowding-b0ss982j7?shareToken=d3406a5e9a7b95fb4dd49507b8be3 071

Commuters could be tracked using their mobile phones under plans to tackle
overcrowding and increase revenue from advertising.

Fascinating selection of routes, some of which could be accounted for
by friends/relatives travelling together with different destinations
but on the same general route.

But why do people let the world know where they are? Not using the
device is not enough, It has to be switched off to avoid tracking.
Mine is only switched on when I am willing to accept calls or need to
make a call. That only amounts to a small proportion of my waking
hours so it is more often off than on..

Then you are in a small minority, and not part of the target market
for the applications in question.

Mark

Very small, going by my observations almost anywhere. There are some
reasons for my reluctance to be tracked, for any purpose, but this is
not the place to discuss them.

Guy Gorton

Tube passengers tracked by phone WiFi
 

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 01:06:16 +0100, "
wrote:

On 09.09.17 20:50, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On 09.09.17 19:03, Mark Goodge wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 16:07:44 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 08/09/2017 14:03, Recliner wrote:

An evaluation of the trial, published today, shows that passengers used 18
routes to go between King’s Cross/St Pancras and Waterloo, the busiest
stations on the network, with 40 per cent of people who were tracked
failing to take the two fastest routes. The data showed that even within
stations a third of passengers did not use the quickest routes between
platforms and could be wasting up to two minutes.


I'm still trying to work out 18 different ways to travel between the two
by tube.

The Gizmodo article (which is far more detailed than the newspaper
reports) includes a diagram.

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/09/lon...ficial-report/

And it's not actually 18 different ways. It's 17 different ways that,
individually, have at least 0.1% of the journey traffic, plus
"others".

Mark

Does not Oyster and Contactless help to determine passenger routes and
flows? Isn't that the reason why TfL introduced it?


Only at point of entry and exit; not the route taken between them.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Noted.

Determining the route typically requires the use of pink card readers
somewhere along the non-London route for users to touch so that a
reduced fare is charged.
https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...k-card-readers
They often aren't actually necessary if the default route is the
cheaper choice but it is presumably easier just to tell people to
touch as they pass.

Tube passengers tracked by phone WiFi
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
13:49:16 on Sat, 9 Sep 2017, remarked:

Apart from anything else, this is about wifi coverage which is for data
which is little used for voice calls.

Never used Whats App voice calls, grandad?

No, nor Skype on my mobile, as it happens. Do you know the volumes? I did
say little used not unused.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Tube passengers tracked by phone WiFi
 

In article ,
(ColinR) wrote:

On 10/09/2017 13:02, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:

In recent months I've played (and got bored with) a few railway-themed
games (though not while driving!) - I wonder how many railway-themed
game apps there are!

Whilst not as an app, SIAM have railway simulations - mostly based on
DOS. Very good as well if you like that sort of thing.

Why would a train driver in RL want to run railway simulations when they
have real trains to run?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Tube passengers tracked by phone WiFi
 

ColinR wrote:
On 10/09/2017 13:02, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Mark Goodge wrote:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 14:53:12 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

wrote:
On 09.09.17 11:42, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Guy Gorton wrote:


But why do people let the world know where they are? Not using the
device is not enough, It has to be switched off to avoid tracking.
Mine is only switched on when I am willing to accept calls or need to
make a call. That only amounts to a small proportion of my waking
hours so it is more often off than on..



My phone OTOH is always on except when it has to be off, eg whilst driving
a train.

Do drivers have to completely switch off their mobiles when at work? Or
can you simply put them on silent or airplane mode?


Off in the cab. Apparently we can't be trusted with airline mode etc ;) .

Well, you might still be playing Angry Birds :-)



In recent months I've played (and got bored with) a few railway-themed
games (though not while driving!) - I wonder how many railway-themed game
apps there are!



Whilst not as an app, SIAM have railway simulations - mostly based on
DOS. Very good as well if you like that sort of thing.


That won't work to pass the time on my iPhone then ;)

I used to have some SIAM games many years ago - presumably they're still on
one of the old hard drives stacked on the shelf 'to be sorted through'.


Anna Noyd-Dryver