Hopper fare and two journeys lasting more than an hour
 

On 14/09/2017 11:49, Clive Page wrote:

But what happens if you have to catch a 3rd bus because the 2nd one is
terminated early?Â*Â*Â* A couple of times recently on a bus that I've been
using the driver has had instructions sent in by radio to stop his
service prematurely, perhaps because of congestion or too many of the
same route number in a convoy.Â* So I've had to get off and get on
another bus that is following the same route.Â* This doesn't cause me
more than mild annoyance as I have a bus pass, but if you are using
Oyster would this be included in the 2nd-bus-within-an-hour concession,
and if so how does the system handle it?

One of the passengers - it usually seems to be me - gets given a paper
ticket by the driver of terminated bus covering everyone onboard, which
they use to transfer without touching in again.

The fun starts if the next bus is a different route number but going the
right way, so good enough for the passenger to reach their destination,
but its driver wants passengers to stand in the rain waiting for the
"right" bus to come along later.


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Hopper fare and two journeys lasting more than an hour
 

On 14/09/2017 11:49, Clive Page wrote:
On 14/09/2017 07:08, Roland Perry wrote:
Thus the public might feel that a more accurate clause was:

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* "If you COMPLETE ONE journey using pay as you go on a bus or
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* tram, you can START a second bus or tram journey for free within
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* one hour of first touching in."

But the author sees:

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* "If you MAKE A TOUCH-IN using pay as you go on a bus or tram,
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* you can MAKE a second bus or tram TOUCH-IN for free within one
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* hour of first touching in."

I agree its ambiguous, but the former is surely intended.

But what happens if you have to catch a 3rd bus because the 2nd one is
terminated early?Â*Â*Â* A couple of times recently on a bus that I've been
using the driver has had instructions sent in by radio to stop his
service prematurely, perhaps because of congestion or too many of the
same route number in a convoy.Â* So I've had to get off and get on
another bus that is following the same route.Â* This doesn't cause me
more than mild annoyance as I have a bus pass, but if you are using
Oyster would this be included in the 2nd-bus-within-an-hour concession,
and if so how does the system handle it?


Ask for a continue ticket from the first bus, usually he will issue one
ticket that covers all the transferring passengers.

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Hopper fare and two journeys lasting more than an hour
 

On 14/09/2017 12:08, Roland Perry wrote:

Back in the day wasn't the driver of the terminating bus supposed to give you a chitty to show the following driver?

Yes, well remembered.

Today I was in London and, would you believe it, the second bus I took was terminated early. So this must happen quite often. Surely somebody knows the solution to what must be a common problem? Or are bus fares so cheap that nobody cares any longer?

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Hopper fare and two journeys lasting more than an hour
 

Clive Page wrote:
On 14/09/2017 12:08, Roland Perry wrote:

Back in the day wasn't the driver of the terminating bus supposed to
give you a chitty to show the following driver?

Yes, well remembered.

Today I was in London and, would you believe it, the second bus I took
was terminated early. So this must happen quite often. Surely somebody
knows the solution to what must be a common problem? Or are bus fares
so cheap that nobody cares any longer?

Probably, most people on the bus aren't paying at all, as they're covered
by bus passes, Freedom cards, Travelcards, Season Tickets, Oyster capping,
Hopper fares, Zip Oyster photocards, etc.

Hopper fare and two journeys lasting more than an hour
 

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:22:44 +0100, Recliner
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:16:14 +0200, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:03:59 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 12:52:52 on
Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Jarle Hammen Knudsen remarked:
With Sadiq Khan’s ‘Hopper’ fare in effect, what should you do if the
second journey takes you over the one hour limit? Will you have to go
forward and touch your card again?

Isn't it *starting* the first leg within an hour?

I assume you meant starting the *second* leg within an hour.

No. The fares page [1] says:

" Make a journey using pay as you go (contactless or Oyster) on a bus
or tram, and you can now make a second bus or tram journey for free
within one hour of touching in on the first bus or tram. "

To me, making a bus journey means getting on the bus, riding the bus
and getting off again.


[1] https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...s/bus-and-tram

No, I think Roland is right: the second journey just has to start
within an hour of the first. The Oyster system has no idea how long
you stay on the second bus, and a ticket inspector will simply check
that you touched in correctly.

That's the approach of Translink in Metro Vancouver, where buses are a
flat one-zone fare with 100-minute transferability.

Using SkyTrain or SeaBus invokes multi-zone fares, but you'd be
hard-pressed to figure out a complete bus-only routing across multiple
zones before the 100-minute window expired anyway and an additional
one-zone fare would be charged on boarding an additional bus service.

And that's without taking into account the huge waste of time by
trundling by bus alone.

Hopper fare and two journeys lasting more than an hour
 

On Thursday, 14 September 2017 12:10:10 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:

Back in the day wasn't the driver of the terminating bus supposed to
give you a chitty to show the following driver?

This could happen at night as well.

Hopper fare and two journeys lasting more than an hour
 

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 14/09/2017 11:49, Clive Page wrote:

But what happens if you have to catch a 3rd bus because the 2nd one is
terminated early? A couple of times recently on a bus that I've been
using the driver has had instructions sent in by radio to stop his
service prematurely, perhaps because of congestion or too many of the
same route number in a convoy. So I've had to get off and get on another
bus that is following the same route. This doesn't cause me more than
mild annoyance as I have a bus pass, but if you are using Oyster would
this be included in the 2nd-bus-within-an-hour concession, and if so how
does the system handle it?

One of the passengers - it usually seems to be me - gets given a paper
ticket by the driver of terminated bus covering everyone onboard, which
they use to transfer without touching in again.

The fun starts if the next bus is a different route number but going the
right way, so good enough for the passenger to reach their destination,
but its driver wants passengers to stand in the rain waiting for the
"right" bus to come along later.

They might do that if the next bus is only good for part of the route, thus
being acceptable to some, but not all transferring pax. But I doubt that
they do if the route is *exactly* the same (how often can that happen?)

tim




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Hopper fare and two journeys lasting more than an hour
 

Clive Page wrote:
Or are bus fares so cheap that nobody cares any longer?

Even: if tickets cost a pound apiece, why should you make a fuss?

#Paul

Hopper fare and two journeys lasting more than an hour
 

wrote:
Clive Page wrote:
Or are bus fares so cheap that nobody cares any longer?

Even: if tickets cost a pound apiece, why should you make a fuss?

£1.50

Hopper fare and two journeys lasting more than an hour
 

On 16/09/2017 21:00, wrote:
Clive Page wrote:
Or are bus fares so cheap that nobody cares any longer?

Even: if tickets cost a pound apiece, why should you make a fuss?


How about if a pound is a significant fraction of your discretionary
spending for the week?


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