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Uber shut down in London
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 07:40:16PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
?15/hr is verging on modern slavery, but the well-heeled punters lap it up. Fifteen quid an hour, assuming an 8 hour day and 5 day working week, puts you well above the national average income. OK, so Uber's independent contractors then have expenses to pay from that, but even so to call it "modern slavery" is pretty silly. -- David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders" If you can't imagine how I do something, it's because I have a better imagination than you |
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Uber shut down in London
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on Thu, 28 Sep 2017, David Cantrell remarked: ?15/hr is verging on modern slavery, but the well-heeled punters lap it up. Fifteen quid an hour, assuming an 8 hour day and 5 day working week, puts you well above the national average income. I bet that national average isn't weighted for full time/part time/gig workers. OK, so Uber's independent contractors then have expenses to pay from that, but even so to call it "modern slavery" is pretty silly. Given they are on zero-hours "contracts", work unsocial hours, have no pensions, holiday or sick pay (the case for those is in the courts right now) and reduced rights to benefits because of being self-employed. And the elephant in the room is that it's the gross pay. Knock off 25% for Uber's commissions, then most estimates for the cost of car rental, petrol and valeting come in at about £300/week, so for a 60hr week you'd see something like: 60 x 15 gross = 900 less 25% = 675 less £300 = 375 so that's more like £6.25/hr now, and under minimum wage, plus all the risks of running your own business. -- Roland Perry |
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Uber shut down in London
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:13:57 on Thu, 28 Sep 2017, David Cantrell remarked: ?15/hr is verging on modern slavery, but the well-heeled punters lap it up. Fifteen quid an hour, assuming an 8 hour day and 5 day working week, puts you well above the national average income. I bet that national average isn't weighted for full time/part time/gig workers. OK, so Uber's independent contractors then have expenses to pay from that, but even so to call it "modern slavery" is pretty silly. Given they are on zero-hours "contracts", work unsocial hours, have no pensions, holiday or sick pay (the case for those is in the courts right now) and reduced rights to benefits because of being self-employed. And the elephant in the room is that it's the gross pay. Knock off 25% for Uber's commissions, then most estimates for the cost of car rental, petrol and valeting come in at about £300/week, so for a 60hr week you'd see something like: 60 x 15 gross = 900 less 25% = 675 less £300 = 375 so that's more like £6.25/hr now, and under minimum wage, plus all the risks of running your own business. The FT has an analysis of how much of their time a UberEXEC driver is actually earning: https://www.ft.com/content/241d35e8-a463-11e7-b797-b61809486fe2?segmentId=080b04f5-af92-ae6f-0513-095d44fb3577 |
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Uber shut down in London
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-septe mber.org, at 09:22:37 on Fri, 29 Sep 2017, Recliner remarked: And the elephant in the room is that it's the gross pay. Knock off 25% for Uber's commissions, then most estimates for the cost of car rental, petrol and valeting come in at about £300/week, so for a 60hr week you'd see something like: 60 x 15 gross = 900 less 25% = 675 less £300 = 375 so that's more like £6.25/hr now, and under minimum wage, plus all the risks of running your own business. The FT has an analysis of how much of their time a UberEXEC driver is actually earning: https://www.ft.com/content/241d35e8-a463-11e7-b797-b61809486fe2?segmentId=080b04f5-af92-ae6f-0513-095d44fb3577 The "usually £20" is widely regarded as either false memory, like it was always long hot summers when we were on summer holidays from school; or it's a very experienced driver knowing where to go (but this time the surge-chasing failed). And no doubt, like the £8, is also a gross figure. Interesting his business has dived so suddenly. Could be a co-incidence, or maybe on account of the publicity, people have been thinking about whether the Uber business model is one they want to support. ps. I wonder why he took such a circuitous route with the fare he picked up in docklands? -- Roland Perry |
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I see Uber have just lost their appeal. They say they will take it
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Uber shut down in London
Robin9 wrote:
I see Uber have just lost their appeal. They say they will take it further of course, but I wonder what their chances are. That's a different case. |
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Uber shut down in London
On 2017\11\10 12:59, Robin9 wrote:
I see Uber have just lost their appeal. They say they will take it further of course, but I wonder what their chances are. They lost the case over drivers' rights, not over their fitness to operate, although giving drivers workers' rights may damage their business model enough to make their fitness to operate an irrelevance. |
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