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TfL has concluded the ride-hailing app firm was not fit and proper to hold
a private hire operator licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640



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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:18:36 GMT
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TfL has concluded the ride-hailing app firm was not fit and proper to hold
a private hire operator licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640


Oh, shame. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.

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On 22/09/2017 11:21, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:18:36 GMT
Recliner wrote:
TfL has concluded the ride-hailing app firm was not fit and proper to hold
a private hire operator licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640

Oh, shame. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.

Really? And general minicabs were well known for being safe, and part
of well run companies that weren't involved in serious criminality
and/or used for laundering money by their criminal owners? All
allegedly of course.

This stinks of protectionism from TfL - yes, there may have been some
minor issues with Uber but they are generally a great solution to
getting around in cities you don't know or aren't able to communicate
in, and avoid vagaries of random pricing.

Hopefully they resolve their issues sooner rather than later and that
their partner drivers can continue to earn money rather than being left,
literally, on the streets with no wage.
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:31:09 +0100, Someone Somewhere
wrote:

On 22/09/2017 11:21, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:18:36 GMT
Recliner wrote:
TfL has concluded the ride-hailing app firm was not fit and proper to hold
a private hire operator licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640

Oh, shame. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.

Really? And general minicabs were well known for being safe, and part
of well run companies that weren't involved in serious criminality
and/or used for laundering money by their criminal owners? All
allegedly of course.

This stinks of protectionism from TfL - yes, there may have been some
minor issues with Uber but they are generally a great solution to
getting around in cities you don't know or aren't able to communicate
in, and avoid vagaries of random pricing.

Hopefully they resolve their issues sooner rather than later and that
their partner drivers can continue to earn money rather than being left,
literally, on the streets with no wage.


Presumably the drivers will just migrate to working for some other
private hire firm.
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:31:09 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 22/09/2017 11:21, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:18:36 GMT
Recliner wrote:
TfL has concluded the ride-hailing app firm was not fit and proper to hold
a private hire operator licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640

Oh, shame. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.

Really? And general minicabs were well known for being safe, and part
of well run companies that weren't involved in serious criminality
and/or used for laundering money by their criminal owners? All
allegedly of course.


And they lose their licenses too if its proven.

This stinks of protectionism from TfL - yes, there may have been some
minor issues with Uber but they are generally a great solution to


Minor? Use google.

getting around in cities you don't know or aren't able to communicate
in, and avoid vagaries of random pricing.

Hopefully they resolve their issues sooner rather than later and that
their partner drivers can continue to earn money rather than being left,
literally, on the streets with no wage.


Where's my violin when I need it....



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"Recliner" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:31:09 +0100, Someone Somewhere
wrote:

On 22/09/2017 11:21, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:18:36 GMT
Recliner wrote:
TfL has concluded the ride-hailing app firm was not fit and proper to
hold
a private hire operator licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640

Oh, shame. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.

Really? And general minicabs were well known for being safe, and part
of well run companies that weren't involved in serious criminality
and/or used for laundering money by their criminal owners? All
allegedly of course.

This stinks of protectionism from TfL - yes, there may have been some
minor issues with Uber but they are generally a great solution to
getting around in cities you don't know or aren't able to communicate
in, and avoid vagaries of random pricing.

Hopefully they resolve their issues sooner rather than later and that
their partner drivers can continue to earn money rather than being left,
literally, on the streets with no wage.


Presumably the drivers will just migrate to working for some other
private hire firm.


and I thought you were the one always telling us that the other PH companies
in London supplied drivers with their cars

tim



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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:38:52 +0100, "tim..."
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"Recliner" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:31:09 +0100, Someone Somewhere
wrote:

On 22/09/2017 11:21, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:18:36 GMT
Recliner wrote:
TfL has concluded the ride-hailing app firm was not fit and proper to
hold
a private hire operator licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640

Oh, shame. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.

Really? And general minicabs were well known for being safe, and part
of well run companies that weren't involved in serious criminality
and/or used for laundering money by their criminal owners? All
allegedly of course.

This stinks of protectionism from TfL - yes, there may have been some
minor issues with Uber but they are generally a great solution to
getting around in cities you don't know or aren't able to communicate
in, and avoid vagaries of random pricing.

Hopefully they resolve their issues sooner rather than later and that
their partner drivers can continue to earn money rather than being left,
literally, on the streets with no wage.


Presumably the drivers will just migrate to working for some other
private hire firm.


and I thought you were the one always telling us that the other PH companies
in London supplied drivers with their cars


No, I've said some PH companies provide cars, some don't. And even the
ones that do, don't necessarily provide them to all drivers (my local
one that I use regularly is an example of that).
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Guess its time to use lyft

Or the district line I go to like one million stations
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:31:09 +0100, Someone Somewhere
wrote:

On 22/09/2017 11:21, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:18:36 GMT
Recliner wrote:
TfL has concluded the ride-hailing app firm was not fit and proper to hold
a private hire operator licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640

Oh, shame. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.

Really? And general minicabs were well known for being safe, and part
of well run companies that weren't involved in serious criminality
and/or used for laundering money by their criminal owners? All
allegedly of course.

This stinks of protectionism from TfL - yes, there may have been some
minor issues with Uber but they are generally a great solution to
getting around in cities you don't know or aren't able to communicate
in, and avoid vagaries of random pricing.

Hopefully they resolve their issues sooner rather than later and that
their partner drivers can continue to earn money rather than being left,
literally, on the streets with no wage.


Reading some more, at looks like the actual Uber shutdown might not
happen any time soon:

"At the moment, Uber's licence expires on the 30th September.

However, the company is able to appeal TfL's ruling and has 21 days to
appeal. Uber will be able to operate until the legal process of the
appeal is exhausted, with some experts predicting the process could
take years."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/22/does-uber-losing-licence-mean-londoners-will-service-cut/
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In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

TfL has concluded the ride-hailing app firm was not fit and proper to hold
a private hire operator licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640

The full TfL statement has been on Twitter and the statement is at
https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/pr.../licensing-dec
ision-on-uber-london-limited?intcmp=50167. Watch the wrap or use
http://tinyurl.com/y8h7ht6r.

The reasons seem pretty comprehensive to me as a former Licensing Committee
chair (albeit outside London where the law is a bit different). Uber have a
right of appeal to the courts and will no doubt do exercise it.

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