On 2017\11\16 09:27, tim... wrote:


"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2017\11\15 16:55, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil JetÂ* wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length,
and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them
all.



It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the
platforms to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

So are they saying that two trams per direction would dwell
simultaneously there, rather than there being "four car trams"?

you write that like there's some reason that would be a dumb operational
procedure

Not at all. I just think the page is a mess. At West Croydon,
"straightening tram tracks will allow for the usage of three car trams"
and at East Croydon "the tram stop outside the station is to be extended
to accommodate four car trams".

Lengthening the EC stop for multiple trams is not ideal anyway, because
the trams in both directions have multiple branches after only two
stops, so pretty much every waiting passenger will have to cluster at
the centre of the stop because they won't know in advance if their tram
will stop on the back or the front. I suspect the extended dwells are
from the east in the morning and to the east in the evening, in which
case two islands with a tidal central track might work better. (Quick
Google) Oh, they've already got three tracks there.

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wrote:

On 2017\11\16 09:27, tim... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2017\11\15 16:55, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil Jet* wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length,
and there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen
them all.

It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the
platforms to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

So are they saying that two trams per direction would dwell
simultaneously there, rather than there being "four car trams"?

you write that like there's some reason that would be a dumb
operational procedure

Not at all. I just think the page is a mess. At West Croydon,
"straightening tram tracks will allow for the usage of three car
trams"

Does that mean the Variobahn trams can't go that way now? Looking at the
West Croydon tram stop on Google Streetview that's obviously not the case so
I don't understand this point.

and at East Croydon "the tram stop outside the station is to
be extended to accommodate four car trams".

Lengthening the EC stop for multiple trams is not ideal anyway,
because the trams in both directions have multiple branches after
only two stops, so pretty much every waiting passenger will have to
cluster at the centre of the stop because they won't know in advance
if their tram will stop on the back or the front. I suspect the
extended dwells are from the east in the morning and to the east in
the evening, in which case two islands with a tidal central track
might work better. (Quick Google) Oh, they've already got three
tracks there.

Which do occasionally get used (never been there in the high peak). So the
idea of doubling up trams as well is hard to fathom.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 16/11/2017 13:12, wrote:

Does that mean the Variobahn trams can't go that way now? Looking at the
West Croydon tram stop on Google Streetview that's obviously not the case so
I don't understand this point.

I think the Variobahns do go everywhere now.

IIRC there have been discussions about coupling trams together, or
buying longer ones to replace the CR4000s as and when they reach the end
of their lives. There are also issues about getting trams through
various traffic lights - it has been said that there is some rule that
only one tram can go through per light cycle, which causes issues.


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In article ,
lid (Arthur Figgis) wrote:

On 16/11/2017 13:12, wrote:

Does that mean the Variobahn trams can't go that way now? Looking at the
West Croydon tram stop on Google Streetview that's obviously not the
case so I don't understand this point.

I think the Variobahns do go everywhere now.

IIRC there have been discussions about coupling trams together, or
buying longer ones to replace the CR4000s as and when they reach the
end of their lives.

Perhaps they might be interested in some spare Edinburgh trams?

There are also issues about getting trams through
various traffic lights - it has been said that there is some rule
that only one tram can go through per light cycle, which causes
issues.

Good grief! Why?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2017\11\16 09:27, tim... wrote:


"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2017\11\15 16:55, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length,
and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them
all.



It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the platforms
to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

So are they saying that two trams per direction would dwell
simultaneously there, rather than there being "four car trams"?

you write that like there's some reason that would be a dumb operational
procedure

Not at all. I just think the page is a mess. At West Croydon,
"straightening tram tracks will allow for the usage of three car trams"
and at East Croydon "the tram stop outside the station is to be extended
to accommodate four car trams".

Lengthening the EC stop for multiple trams is not ideal anyway, because
the trams in both directions have multiple branches after only two stops,
so pretty much every waiting passenger will have to cluster at the centre
of the stop because they won't know in advance if their tram will stop on
the back or the front.

well that's easily soluble by having a departure board that tells them -
other countries have no difficulty doing this

tim