Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 11:17:43 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:44:04 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:08:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT
Recliner wrote:
Scott wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done
automatically
the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its
members,
thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO
anywhere
in this country.

Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members?

Yes, very much so.

Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently use
strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were
considered
critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from
striking.

One of the first steps on the way to totalitarianism.

Keeping the country running is more important than your orwellian fantasies.
Perhaps you think the police should be free to strike?

The country is running today with an almost total lack of trains. In
any case, making strikes unlawful doesn't stop them occurring one way
or another.

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:57:19 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 11:17:43 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:44:04 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:08:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT
Recliner wrote:
Scott wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done
automatically
the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its
members,
thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO
anywhere
in this country.

Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members?

Yes, very much so.

Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently
use
strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were
considered
critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from
striking.

One of the first steps on the way to totalitarianism.

Keeping the country running is more important than your orwellian fantasies.
Perhaps you think the police should be free to strike?

The country is running today with an almost total lack of trains. In
any case, making strikes unlawful doesn't stop them occurring one way
or another.

Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 10:18:18 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:57:19 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 11:17:43 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:44:04 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:08:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT
Recliner wrote:
Scott wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done
automatically
the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its
members,
thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO
anywhere
in this country.

Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members?

Yes, very much so.

Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently
use
strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were
considered
critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from
striking.

One of the first steps on the way to totalitarianism.

Keeping the country running is more important than your orwellian fantasies.
Perhaps you think the police should be free to strike?

The country is running today with an almost total lack of trains. In
any case, making strikes unlawful doesn't stop them occurring one way
or another.

Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

Also a surefire way to lose the next election and/or make even more
people strike when they remember which other regimes have tried it.

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 10:18:18 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:57:19 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 11:17:43 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:44:04 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:08:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT
Recliner wrote:
Scott wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done
automatically
the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its
members,
thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO
anywhere
in this country.

Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members?

Yes, very much so.

Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently
use
strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were
considered
critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from
striking.

One of the first steps on the way to totalitarianism.

Keeping the country running is more important than your orwellian fantasies.
Perhaps you think the police should be free to strike?

The country is running today with an almost total lack of trains. In
any case, making strikes unlawful doesn't stop them occurring one way
or another.

Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

Also a surefire way to lose the next election and/or make even more
people strike when they remember which other regimes have tried it.


Yes, that's certainly true. But a no-strike agreement with mandatory
pendulum arbitration can work for all sides.

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:57:19 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 11:17:43 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:44:04 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:08:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT
Recliner wrote:
Scott wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done
automatically
the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its
members,
thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO
anywhere
in this country.

Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members?

Yes, very much so.

Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently
use
strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were
considered
critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from
striking.

One of the first steps on the way to totalitarianism.

Keeping the country running is more important than your orwellian fantasies.
Perhaps you think the police should be free to strike?

The country is running today with an almost total lack of trains. In
any case, making strikes unlawful doesn't stop them occurring one way
or another.

Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

If you’ve sacked or put in prison all the qualified railwaymen, how are you
going run the trains in the months (or even years) until you’ve trained
some more?
--
Jeremy Double

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

In message

, at 03:27:04 on Wed, 27 Dec 2017, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

If you’ve sacked or put in prison all the qualified railwaymen, how are you
going run the trains in the months (or even years) until you’ve trained
some more?

You don't need to sack/imprison more than a handful, of course; just
enough to 'encourage the others'. Hence for example the original
definition of decimate.
--
Roland Perry

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:57:19 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 11:17:43 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:44:04 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:08:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:12:32 GMT
Recliner wrote:
Scott wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Thats a bit sophisticated for UK railways. Plus if it was done
automatically
the RMT would probably call a strike about taking work away from its
members,
thin end of the wedge, blah blah. I'm amazed we managed to get ATO
anywhere
in this country.

Is this not more likely to affect ASLEF members?

Yes, very much so.

Aslef tend to be somewhat less militant. The RMT meanwhile consistently
use
strike threats to blackmail management. IMO its time railways were
considered
critical national infrastructure and so employees on them banned from
striking.

One of the first steps on the way to totalitarianism.

Keeping the country running is more important than your orwellian fantasies.
Perhaps you think the police should be free to strike?

The country is running today with an almost total lack of trains. In
any case, making strikes unlawful doesn't stop them occurring one way
or another.

Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.



You might, however, like to arrange that you employ sufficient drivers to
cover all services without needing overtime or rest day work (therefore
achieving one of ASLEF's hitherto un-met aims) before enforcing your strike
ban, otherwise you'll likely end up with a number of trains not running on
a daily basis...


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 00:04:03 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 10:18:18 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself
unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

Also a surefire way to lose the next election and/or make even more
people strike when they remember which other regimes have tried it.

Yeah, right. Because banning prison officers from striking in 94 is what
made the tories lose the election in 97, right?

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On 27 Dec 2017 03:27:04 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
wrote:
Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself
unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

If you’ve sacked or put in prison all the qualified railwaymen, how are you
going run the trains in the months (or even years) until you’ve trained
some more?

A bit of pain is worth it in the end. Anyway, thats exactly what the
air traffic controllers thought in the 80s in the USA until Reagan fired the
lot of them.

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

Thanks for all these comments about Air Traffic controllers.

BTW, does anyone know why there's an overhead wire on the southbound platform of Highbury Station?

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:24:40 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 00:04:03 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 10:18:18 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself
unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

Also a surefire way to lose the next election and/or make even more
people strike when they remember which other regimes have tried it.

Yeah, right. Because banning prison officers from striking in 94 is what
made the tories lose the election in 97, right?

Did they lock anyone up ?

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:25:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On 27 Dec 2017 03:27:04 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
wrote:
Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself
unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

If you’ve sacked or put in prison all the qualified railwaymen, how are you
going run the trains in the months (or even years) until you’ve trained
some more?

A bit of pain is worth it in the end. Anyway, thats exactly what the
air traffic controllers thought in the 80s in the USA until Reagan fired the
lot of them.

Then took around ten years to clear up the consequences.

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:36:58 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:25:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On 27 Dec 2017 03:27:04 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
wrote:
Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself
unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

If you’ve sacked or put in prison all the qualified railwaymen, how are you
going run the trains in the months (or even years) until you’ve trained
some more?

A bit of pain is worth it in the end. Anyway, thats exactly what the
air traffic controllers thought in the 80s in the USA until Reagan fired the
lot of them.

Then took around ten years to clear up the consequences.

Better 2 years of pain than another few decades of the **** the RMT are
currently pulling.

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:36:58 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:25:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On 27 Dec 2017 03:27:04 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
wrote:
Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself
unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

If you’ve sacked or put in prison all the qualified railwaymen, how are you
going run the trains in the months (or even years) until you’ve trained
some more?

A bit of pain is worth it in the end. Anyway, thats exactly what the
air traffic controllers thought in the 80s in the USA until Reagan fired the
lot of them.

Then took around ten years to clear up the consequences.

Better 2 years of pain than another few decades of the **** the RMT are
currently pulling.


Who's gonna train your new train drivers after you've sacked all the
instructors? ;)


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 14:30:35 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:36:58 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:25:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On 27 Dec 2017 03:27:04 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
wrote:
Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself
unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

If you’ve sacked or put in prison all the qualified railwaymen, how are
you
going run the trains in the months (or even years) until you’ve trained
some more?

A bit of pain is worth it in the end. Anyway, thats exactly what the
air traffic controllers thought in the 80s in the USA until Reagan fired
the
lot of them.

Then took around ten years to clear up the consequences.

Better 2 years of pain than another few decades of the **** the RMT are
currently pulling.


Who's gonna train your new train drivers after you've sacked all the
instructors? ;)

Some trained chimps?

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 14:30:35 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:36:58 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:25:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On 27 Dec 2017 03:27:04 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
wrote:
Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself
unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

If you’ve sacked or put in prison all the qualified railwaymen, how are
you
going run the trains in the months (or even years) until you’ve trained
some more?

A bit of pain is worth it in the end. Anyway, thats exactly what the
air traffic controllers thought in the 80s in the USA until Reagan fired
the
lot of them.

Then took around ten years to clear up the consequences.

Better 2 years of pain than another few decades of the **** the RMT are
currently pulling.


Who's gonna train your new train drivers after you've sacked all the
instructors? ;)

Some trained chimps?

Now I know you’re trolling rather than trying to make a serious point.

--
Jeremy Double

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

In message

, at 19:23:18 on Thu, 28 Dec 2017, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Some trained chimps?

Now I know you’re trolling rather than trying to make a serious point.

Oh please. He's been "only trolling" for years.
--
Roland Perry

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On 2017\12\28 20:47, Roland Perry wrote:
In message

, at 19:23:18 on Thu, 28 Dec 2017, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Some trained chimps?

Now I know you’re trolling rather than trying to make a serious point.

Oh please. He's been "only trolling" for years.

Are "boltar" and "Roland Perry" not the same person?

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 06:18:30 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\12\28 20:47, Roland Perry wrote:
In message

, at 19:23:18 on Thu, 28 Dec 2017, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Some trained chimps?

Now I know you’re trolling rather than trying to make a serious point.

Oh please. He's been "only trolling" for years.

Are "boltar" and "Roland Perry" not the same person?

Wash your mouth out!

Overhead wire in moorgate line stations
 

On 28 Dec 2017 19:23:18 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 14:30:35 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:36:58 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:25:32 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On 27 Dec 2017 03:27:04 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
wrote:
Striking when in a no strike job is a surefire way to find yourself
unemployed
or even in prison shortly afterwards.

If you’ve sacked or put in prison all the qualified railwaymen,
how are
you
going run the trains in the months (or even years) until you’ve
trained
some more?

A bit of pain is worth it in the end. Anyway, thats exactly what the
air traffic controllers thought in the 80s in the USA until Reagan fired
the
lot of them.

Then took around ten years to clear up the consequences.

Better 2 years of pain than another few decades of the **** the RMT are
currently pulling.


Who's gonna train your new train drivers after you've sacked all the
instructors? ;)

Some trained chimps?

Now I know you’re trolling rather than trying to make a serious point.

Trolling and being sarcastic are not quite the same.

Apparently train drivers are paid the big bucks for when things go wrong not
when everything is going right. Unfortunately as has been proven time and time
again when things do go wrong they are generally about as much use as the
proverbial chocolate teapot and either the passengers end up walking along the
track or have to sit in the train until it can be towed.

Its time to admit that unlike back in the days of steam when driving a train
was a bloody hard physical job, these days its nothing more than sitting in
a moving office operating a computer and doesn't warrant 50K+ a year.